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I am kind of confused by this. Is this minimum pilot count by category/seat that is required contractually? Is it safe to assume there will be slightly more in each category than the minimum required?

Thanks

Alan Shore

11-07-2014 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1759548)

In C2012 the MEC never authorized or discussed reducing profit sharing. O'Malley agreed to it without MEC knowledge and it was jammed down their throats. Same plan this time.

As you were not on the MEC at the time, you have no way to know whether the first statement is true. And you have no way of knowing whether your last statement is true, either.

FIIGMO

11-07-2014 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1759548)

Give Mike Hanson a call and report back to us on whether or not you think we will reduce profit sharing. Or you can continue to live in dream world.

I suppose you were one of the many who said I was full of crap on C2012 when I said we were going to allow many more 76 seat RJs.

I hope more than anything to be wrong. Remember, the reps are flying the line. Just like last time, it is the admin insiders who make the concessions.

In C2012 the MEC never authorized or discussed reducing profit sharing. O'Malley agreed to it without MEC knowledge and it was jammed down their throats. Same plan this time.

There are less RJ aircraft, less RJ seats being flown, less RJ pilots, less Delta passengers being deceived about who is flying their aircraft. Those are facts of C2012. An RJ seat is an RJ seat no matter if it is a 50 or 76 seater. The economics and staffing will further reduce the numbers. Just sayin.

forgot to bid

11-07-2014 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1759583)

His point is correct in that c2012 allowed more 76 seaters and while their staffing woes are good for us the dropping fuel prices make those large 76 seaters more economical.

forgot to bid

11-07-2014 06:13 AM

And fwiw, what is jet A prices today? $2.42/gal? It's a four year low and far below the $3.20+ that it was when C2012 was being negotiated and Delta was focusing on getting more 76 seaters.

DCI has not been vanquished, they're still here. Hopefully they find more chicken bones to choke on and the 717s that were coming anyways finish them off. Then maybe Delta takes at least the small jet flying back to the big house.

FIIGMO

11-07-2014 06:23 AM

The trend is our friend in this case. Short sighted to just focus on current fuel prices because we know they will go back up and put us back in a position bargain with a new set of economics. Less RJs are good! Even less is far better. Hopefully C2015 will be even less without a need to give anything up. Not likely. Giving up the RJ will cost us. How much do we want to give up is the question to get it back?

80ktsClamp

11-07-2014 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1759603)

Remember, big things are coming soon, and we'll never see those 3% bumps!
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Starcheck102

11-07-2014 06:27 AM

You're being used, gzsg.

80ktsClamp

11-07-2014 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1759612)

You're being used, gzsg.

That's the truth. There is no one around that throws more crap out there just to throw crap out there. He's the National Enquirer of the various DL forums.

LowPhlyer

11-07-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1759578)

As you were not on the MEC at the time, you have no way to know whether the first statement is true. And you have no way of knowing whether your last statement is true, either.

gzsg is "mostly" correct in his statement. The profit sharing reduction was floated as a "trial balloon" less than 48 hours before the T/A was announced and handed to the MEC. This means there was some discussion (which was mostly negative toward the idea of trading profit sharing for increased raises). But, there was no re-direction from the MEC to the negotiators or MEC Chairman.

Of course, the MEC was then handed the T/A with the profit sharing reduction and our MEC Chairman was quoted as stating: “The T/A should not be judged compared to the pilots aspirations as reflected in the contract survey…there is no context to their wishes”

The same background players are still prominent in the MEC Administration.

LP

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