Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1767970)

Why can't you ever lighten up? Flight Ops mgmt wanted to hire a lot earlier and the higher ups held them back.

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1767970)

Why can't you ever lighten up? Flight Ops mgmt wanted to hire a lot earlier and the higher ups held them back. If we had gotten 2% less pay raises and kept 2% more profit sharing we would be in the exact same place. At least your spin is pretty consistent. Negative. OFG

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1767652)

That's because you did a lot of things at once and that helped move numbers around so you don't see the cost. That's how they set it up, and that's what they count on you thinking of it as.

Plans change. Lately they've changed a lot. They used to build more core cost in to all the plans, which is why they could "subsidize" the phones for you. Now plans are generally cheaper and include a lot more (minutes and texts were all add on extras for most plans not that long ago) so if you did nothing other than move your paid for phone to the plan you have now, you would be paying even less per month than you are now.

But all most people care about is "out the door" or "per month" costs. That's how they obfuscate the true price of the phones they are selling. Rest assured you are paying full retail for your phone, and it costs about 700-800 dollars.

Part of that may be offset by your trade in, and the $299 "down payment" even though they don't call it that. But you are essentially financing the remainder into your plan. You don't see it because while you were doing all that, she moved you to a cheaper plan, and that's great. But that plan was available to you regardless, and you could have moved to that same cheaper plan anyway with your old phone, and if you did you would be paying less per month than you are right now.

Whatever your monthly bill is, it is higher for the next 12-24 months than it would be under the exact same plan had you switched to that exact same plan and brought your own paid off phone (your old phone).

Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1768012)

You are just beating a dead horse. I have 3 phones on my plan. My old bill was $168 a month. My phone was eligible for the upgrade the the other 2 lines were not. I went in and got the iphone 6 and my new bill is $108 per month. I went from 1000 minutes to unlimited minutes and I went from 2GB to 3GB of shared data. I walked out of the store more than elated. My bill was reduced $60 a month and I got the new phone. I did a follow up call with my sales gal and asked her if I wouldn't have gotten a better deal without upgrading my phone and she said no. I'm glad I don't consult with you you for financial advice :D

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1768051)

So will some of the 767 Three Hundred International E-R airplanes be turned to domestic jets as the 330s and 350s roll in?

Just curious. As the 7ERs approach the expensive maintenance cycles in their lives will they have plenty of cycles left to burn per given AFH vs just flying them until they hit the hour limits but have AFCs left over?

I mean at what point do you put a 767-300ER down? "We went her to a big farm, where she will have plenty of fresh air and be with others just like her?? Is it calendar based, AFH based or AFC based?

Just hoping that they have another life in them as domestic heavy lifters.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1767995)

Why does it matter who in management did or did not want to hire? To us, the result is the same.

Have you considered that by repeating that nonsense, you are being manipulated by a classic "God cop-bad cop" bit out of a world-class union buster's playbook?

Originally Posted by Spudhauler (Post 1768075)

You post lots of interesting and thought provoking stuff, but your constant insistence that those who disagree with you are manipulated is tiring. Besides, 2012 is old news. We should learn from the many mistakes made in passing that contract, but bashing on people isn't going to bring them around to your way of thinking.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1768070)

The plan is to retire the ER's when they are about 30 years old. We got the first one around 1990.