Who has 787's and A-350 orders? Who has A-380's? Who paraded around ATL in a new 787-9? The only thing I see is us parking big airplanes and replacing them with smaller ones while our JV partners have sizeable orders for 787's, 350's, 380's, and 777's. But we should celebrate....we've added dozens of 717 captains in the last few months.

Carl, Scambo (and anyone else who wants to see the data):

MEC Update 14-07 has an excellent review of "Codeshare, our Joint Ventures and 747's" which was exhaustively researched and written by your IAAC Chairman. The article was published 8 September 2014.

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>Communications>>MEC Update

... and for further reading

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>International Affairs and Alliances>>Presentations

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>International Affairs and Alliances>>Codeshare

Sailingfun used common vernacular rather than get into "Equivalent Available Seat Kilometers." He makes a good point that the other carriers could pull down capacity and pop Delta up on a percentage basis.

When the Trans Atlantic JV was written I applauded the idea of percentage allocation. We have learned that even our parent companies (on both sides of the Atlantic) have difficulty complying. The window was opened large in anticipation of growth which did not happen.

To quote from the MEC Update, "Let's be clear, ALPA does not condone ... . ALPA neither sympathizes with the Company nor does it wish to enable non compliance. ... in future negotiations we will push to see JV terms modified to shorter duration measurement periods. We will continue to enforce our contract and we fully expect the MEC to seek a remedy for this violation when it occurs."

(emphasis Delta MEC Communications)

[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1760228]No sailingfun, those percentages are not based on the contractual share of the flying and metric used. Those percentages are due to our management allowing those percentages to continue and our "union" doing nothing to defend our language against the company's



Baloney. That's why percentages are the metric. Our percentage share of the flying has gone down. That's not arguable. The euros percentage of the flying has gone up. That's not arguable.

Your right Carl, it's not. Bar has posted links to all the data. You won't take the time to read it. Our percentage of the flying today is almost exactly the same as it was in 2004 and 2008.

It's not expected that AF, KLM or Virgin will take delivery of any additional A380's. I would not call their orders sizable and they have all been purchased as replacement not growth airframes.

Well at least they are replacing the departing aircraft with aircraft the same size. We are losing 747's, 757's and 767's and replacing them with A330's and 737-900's.

Not actually. The 747 and A340's will be replaced with smaller airframes. That's actually not a good thing for us as it allows them more flights within the joint venture. We currently fly about 370,000 block hours a year across the Atlantic. AF/KLM fly only 200,000. Block hours equals jobs.
By the way we flew around 400,000 block hours in 2011. AF/KLM flew about 235,000 back then. Carls fantasy that we took the cuts not AF/KLM is simply not true. Both sides dropped flights.

Flying a non-ILS approach with Capt. Sailingfun:
Cheers
George

Carl stated that AF/kLM's share of the flying has gone up while ours has shrunk. You tell me, is that true or not? Unless all the data is fabricated the answer is it's not true. I don't get what the above on your post is about. If your going to compare our share of flying over time you have to look at the past. Not quite the same as a approach plate but I think you knew that.

Can we now talk about something important??

Auburn is getting KILLED by Texas A+M!

35-17 in the 3rd Q.

Just before half the score was 28-17, and Auburn tried to kick a field goal which would have closed it to 28-20...but it was blocked...picked up by TA+M and run 65 yards for a touchdown!

OUCH!

Bama-LSU coming up later...any bets?

Delta is the most profitable airline, and yet pilots question their
business decisions. Personally I don't care what planes we fly/buy as long as we make money. We are employees, not managers. We don't decide what airplanes Delta will buy. Given our status, I think it's fair to expect industry leading pay for the equipment we operate, but I don't expect 380 pay for flying a 737.