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sailingfun 11-08-2014 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1760425)
The MEC was briefed that over the course of the 3-year compliance period (April 2011 - March 2014) going from 47.2% to 50% would increase flying by 6-7 daily round trips.

2.8% = 6-7 daily roundtrips.

Q: did the subject matter expert knowingly mis-represent the percentage flying to the MEC or is sailingfun correct and all it is is 1 daily flight?

Cheers
George

You did not understand the data. They stated the company would have to add 6 to 7 flights a day in the last year to bring the average up to be in compliance. That number was actually up to something around 14 departures per day in Aug. The less time left the more departures they would have to add to be in compliance. The overall rate for the entire period was just under two departures per day. With the AF strike that dropped to closer to one per day if you average it over the 4 years. I think however you could make a case before the arbitrator that the shutdown of AF for several weeks should not count as it was a aberration not considered by either side when the agreement was made.
I was just emailed more numbers but they match what I posted. Just prior to the AF strike we were just over 47% of the EASK which gave us over 65% of the actual block hours. To be contractually compliant the company needed to raise that to 48.5%. With 40 to 50 departures per day it's not hard to see that two more departures per day would have produced the percentage the company needed.

80ktsClamp 11-08-2014 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760438)
You did not understand the data. They stated the company would have to add 6 to 7 flights a day in the last year to bring the average up to be in compliance. That number was actually up to something around 14 departures per day in Aug. The less time left the more departures they would have to add to be in compliance. The overall rate for the entire period was just under two departures per day. With the AF strike that dropped to closer to one per day if you average it over the 4 years. I think however you could make a case before the arbitrator that the shutdown of AF for several weeks should not count as it was a aberration not considered by either side when the agreement was made.
I was just emailed more numbers but they match what I posted. Just prior to the AF strike we were just over 47% of the EASK which gave us over 65% of the actual block hours. To be contractually compliant the company needed to raise that to 48.5%. With 40 to 50 departures per day it's not hard to see that two more departures per day would have produced the percentage the company needed.

For once I agree with sailingfun's logic. Mark this day. :)

buzzpat 11-08-2014 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Humboldt (Post 1760432)
Dumb question. I have a 4 hour layover in LAX, can I take my son into Flight Ops? Is family allowed and will the door guard allow it?

Thx

Yes, you can escort him. You'll need a pass from the ticketing folks. You can bypass the normal TSA line but can't use, obviously, KCM. As long as you're with him, it's cool.

GogglesPisano 11-08-2014 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1760363)
I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon.

Not to beat a dead horse but ...


I don't think you have anything to worry about.:p

boog123 11-08-2014 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1760460)
I don't think you have anything to worry about.:p

WORD! (practicing patient aggression)

DALMD88FO 11-08-2014 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1760458)
Yes, you can escort him. You'll need a pass from the ticketing folks. You can bypass the normal TSA line but can't use, obviously, KCM. As long as you're with him, it's cool.

Buzzpat are you sure about that? I thought if the flight operations has direct access to the ramp area then you can't bring family members into it. I know they have made a big deal about it in ATL and LAX has direct access to the ramp just like ATL.

Alan Shore 11-08-2014 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1760378)
Wonder if the increased profit sharing will equal the difference between narrow body captain pay and wide body captain pay because that is how much money a lot of pilots will be losing due to these JV's.

Well, it's a 22% increase to go from 320A to 330A (neither the highest nor the lowest paid narrow body or wide body aircraft).

Alan Shore 11-08-2014 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1760340)
Our percentage of EASK's in this joint venture are down from where they are contractually required to be. Since the measuring metric is a percentage, that can ONLY mean that the Euro's percentage of EASK's are above where they are contractually required to be. It's not arguable...it's math.

Carl, you're both right. Our percentage of EASK's is certainly below that which it is required to be.

Sailingfun's point, and I understand him to be correct, is that our percentage of EASK's is almost exactly what it was just prior to AZ joining the JV and the 50% requirement being established. Delta had plans at the time to increase its flying to Europe to about 50%, and wanted to set the requirement at that level, but the softening of the trans-Atlantic market almost immediately thereafter made them change their minds.

I'm not saying that this excuses their non-compliance, only that the PWA requires a higher percentage of flying than actually existed just prior to the JV.

80ktsClamp 11-08-2014 07:01 PM

Note to self: Don't drop the ball on the 4 yard line and start celebrating early.

What a bizarre play!

DFW Refugee 11-08-2014 07:05 PM

How 'bout those Sun Devils???!!!

Go Sparky!!!
(Appropriate pix of Sparky and the usual hot ASU cheerleaders would follow,
but I don't post enough to know how to properly present them.) :cool:


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