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Originally Posted by Cogf16
(Post 1760616)
Just got back from CQ and the "Pub" event in ATL. Heard 2 different but similar RFP rumors from Instructors/DALPA guys:
-25 350's and 25 787 announced between Tgiving and christmas -Combo of 330, 350 and 787-900, to be announced before Thanksgiving. Also heard a fleeting rumor of used 777's (really cheap) Like both the rumors especially the Boeing part. And the important part: Delivered when??? :cool: Thanks for the info. |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1760641)
Contractually, there is no such thing. It is the Delta / Air France / KLM / Alitalia Joint Venture, formerly the Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture.
Completely wrong. The original language of 1 P. Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture (which was added to the PWA in 2009) established a baseline of flying between those three carriers of 51.7% for Delta and 48.3% for AF/KLM. This baseline was taken from the actual balance of flying that existed in the 12 months ending March 31, 2009, and established a required minimum percentage of the total flying among the three airlines for Delta. The language also provided for an adjustment to that baseline were another carrier to join the JV. This adjustment would reflect the change to parties' shares of flying caused by the addition of the new airline. When Alitalia joined the JV in 2011, the baseline was adjusted in accordance with the PWA, except that Delta agreed to a higher minimum than its actual percentage at the time due to its growth plans. ____________________ The single act of adding Alitalia to the AF/KLM side of the Atlantic JV REDUCED our share of EASK's and INCREASED the Euro's share of the EASK's. Even with the addition of Alitalia, our percentage share of this JV's EASK's has dropped from the new baseline agreed to in the immediate aftermath of Alitalia's addition. Since we're talking about percentages between two sides, that means Delta pilot's share of the flying has DECREASED while the Euro's share has INCREASED. This has damaged Delta pilots and continues to do so. People who try to spin this to the contrary are beyond understanding. I'm absolutely stunned and amazed that sailingfun, DALPA, and even you are fighting so incredibly hard to spin this non-compliance as something that really hasn't harmed us because (you say) we've never actually gone backward as a result. This population of apologists for management gives management an amazing advantage against this pilot group. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1760788)
Fine Alan. I can't study this for myself now, so I'll say for the sake of argument you're correct. I'll rephrase my post on the premise you'll actually respond to the point of it:
____________________ The single act of adding Alitalia to the AF/KLM side of the Atlantic JV REDUCED our share of EASK's and INCREASED the Euro's share of the EASK's. Even with the addition of Alitalia, our percentage share of this JV's EASK's has dropped from the new baseline agreed to in the immediate aftermath of Alitalia's addition. Since we're talking about percentages between two sides, that means Delta pilot's share of the flying has DECREASED while the Euro's share has INCREASED. This has damaged Delta pilots and continues to do so. People who try to spin this to the contrary are beyond understanding. I'm absolutely stunned and amazed that sailingfun, DALPA, and even you are fighting so incredibly hard to spin this non-compliance as something that really hasn't harmed us because (you say) we've never actually gone backward as a result. This population of apologists for management gives management an amazing advantage against this pilot group. Carl |
Originally Posted by Roadie85
(Post 1760651)
Any word on delivery dates? Because if this is the 10 year plan,
then most of the pilots on the seniority list will be gone by then. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1760792)
Wrong Carl, we are taking a statement you made that we reduced our Atlantic flying while AF/KLM increased theirs and showing it is incorrect. Once you realized that your statement was wrong you keep trying to spin it into other things.
Spin away, the floor is yours. Carl |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1760657)
I've been tracking this set of rumors really closely.
Cue Col Hans Landa's "I love rumors..." Scene Your aircraft types are all on the money, the numbers differ depending upon who you talk to, some add up to more than 50. However, the used 777 numbers are always 10. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1760802)
I'd just caution that anyone who knows (if anything has been decided) is under a non disclosure agreement and would either keep their mouth shut (best option) or make up something that wasn't at all correct.
Also, not everyone who knows works for Delta. |
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1760802)
I'd just caution that anyone who knows (if anything has been decided) is under a non disclosure agreement and would either keep their mouth shut (best option) or make up something that wasn't at all correct.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1760798)
You're too stubborn to admit your shilling sailingfun. I get that. Delta pilots' share of the JV's EASK's has gone down while the Euro's share of the EASK's have gone up. It's not arguable. It's fact.
Spin away, the floor is yours. Carl |
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