We were essentially 50/50 between us and AF/KLM. That was before AZ joined the JV. When they joined, their flying added to the total Euro flying such that the split became 47/53, which is where we are today.

Again, Delta had plans to come up to 50%, which is why they agreed to a 48.5% minimum. Those plans did not materialize, hence the scope violation.

Just got back from CQ and the "Pub" event in ATL. Heard 2 different but similar RFP rumors from Instructors/DALPA guys:
-25 350's and 25 787 announced between Tgiving and christmas
-Combo of 330, 350 and 787-900, to be announced before Thanksgiving.
Also heard a fleeting rumor of used 777's (really cheap)

Like both the rumors especially the Boeing part.

No sailingfun, I said our share of the Atlantic Joint Venture flying has been reduced while the Euro's share of the Atlantic Joint Venture flying has increased. That's undeniable by everyone except you.

I didn't imply it, I specifically stated it. We should be flying at least 8 more Atlantic flight equivalents in order to be flying our share. We're not. The Euro's are flying those flight equivalents. That's being done at the expense of Delta pilots.

We're not talking about flying relative to AF/KLM sailingfun, we're talking about flying relative to the Atlantic Joint Venture. That's what our contract says...not AF/KLM. I think this kind of spin from you is what prompted George to analogize you flying a non-ILS approach and defending your wrongness by using an expired approach plate. Details matter. Words matter.

Carl

My above post kinda backs that up as well.

That's correct. At that time, AF/KLM constituted the entire Atlantic Joint Venture.

That's meaningless because our contractual language didn't specify airlines joining or removing themselves, it specifies percentage shares of the EASK's between the two sides...regardless of those sides' member airlines. That single act REDUCED our share of EASK's and INCREASED the Euro's share of the EASK's.

Whatever. Delta pilot's share of the flying has DECREASED while the Euro's share has INCREASED. This has damaged Delta pilots and continues to do so. People who try to spin this to the contrary are beyond understanding.

Carl

Contractually, there is no such thing. It is the Delta / Air France / KLM / Alitalia Joint Venture, formerly the Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture.

Completely wrong. The original language of 1 P. Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture (which was added to the PWA in 2009) established a baseline of flying between those three carriers of 51.7% for Delta and 48.3% for AF/KLM. This baseline was taken from the actual balance of flying that existed in the 12 months ending March 31, 2009, and established a required minimum percentage of the total flying among the three airlines for Delta.

The language also provided for an adjustment to that baseline were another carrier to join the JV. This adjustment would reflect the change to parties' shares of flying caused by the addition of the new airline.

When Alitalia joined the JV in 2011, the baseline was adjusted in accordance with the PWA, except that Delta agreed to a higher minimum than its actual percentage at the time due to its growth plans.

Any word on delivery dates? Because if this is the 10 year plan,
then most of the pilots on the seniority list will be gone by then.

Since I'm too tired and indecisive to provide a caption, you can decide for yourself if this is poking fun at ALPA volunteer work, our overdue Widebody RFP decision, or something else entirely. I'm pretty sure the Generals are us though.

But what 787's would they be? We already have them coming in 2020 and here we are almost 2015. Even if they announced it at the end of the year, it would probably take several years to get them, so is this an RFP for something we already ordered in an old RFP?

And the big question is long term, how much if any of that lift will be growth? If our business plan over the Atlantic is really to just pull down highr block hour directs and shuttle pax less distance to EU hubs in larger widebodies (but not too large of course) then we can replace a whole lot of ER block hours with a lot less pilots by shifting that lift to 330/787/777's.

I've been tracking this set of rumors really closely.

Cue Col Hans Landa's "I love rumors..." Scene

Your aircraft types are all on the money, the numbers differ depending upon who you talk to, some add up to more than 50. However, the used 777 numbers are always 10.