Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1760094)

FYI

PWA Section 28 A

In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1760080)

Notre Dame is going down today.

Double shocker guaranteed.

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Because flexibility is the key to airpower.

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Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 1760076)

Explain why it is ok for the company to ask for 30 or 40 or 50% of your pay overnight in concessions, but it is a "pipe dream" to ask for it back?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760083)

Google National mediation board. Find their letter on reasonableness and how they define that.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1760118)

acl-

Going to NMB mediation means 3-5 years of purgatory. Nobody will accept that.
If these profits continue and there's no agreement by March 2016 you will have a pilot group in open revolt.
The NMB will be the least of ALPA's worries.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1760094)

FYI

PWA Section 28 A

SECTION 28 2
DURATION 4
A.Effective Date and Duration
Except as expressly provided otherwise, this agreement will become effective on July 1, 2012, will continue in full force and effect through December 31, 2015, and will renew itself without change through each succeeding December 31st, unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least 60 days but no more than 270 days prior to December 31, 2015 or December 31st in any year thereafter. In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760126)

That would be the key to a contract without NMB involvement. In the end however it will come down to cost. The contract some say is their minimum will cost well over a billion a year. Airlines have operated for years with very ****ed off pilots but still posting good operational results. RA will be happy to throw some money at us for labor peace but he will only open his wallet so far. He not about to let his overall pilot costs get to far above the industry average. He will fall back on the courts and NMB in that situation.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760126)

That would be the key to a contract without NMB involvement. In the end however it will come down to cost. The contract some say is their minimum will cost well over a billion a year. Airlines have operated for years with very ****ed off pilots but still posting good operational results. RA will be happy to throw some money at us for labor peace but he will only open his wallet so far. He not about to let his overall pilot costs get to far above the industry average. He will fall back on the courts and NMB in that situation.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1760133)

RA will not need to fall back on the courts and the NMB. He will simply fall back to his role as the MEC chairman and put forth a full fledged FUD campaign. You and all the other usual suspects will fall in line spreading the fear of what will happen if we don't do exactly what Richard wants.

The only question this time is whether a majority of pilots will reject your fear spreading this time.

Carl

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760148)

Carl, I know you think that you have a far superior intellect then most pilots.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1760125)

I did sailingfud. Nowhere do they talk about the reasonableness of 40 to 50% pay cuts. Nor do they talk about the reasonableness of labor asking for the return of those cuts during highly profitable times.

Maybe you can point out exactly where you think something the NMB is saying applies in a way that should stop us from asking for a restorative contract. I'll wait.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1760118)

acl-

Going to NMB mediation means 3-5 years of purgatory. Totally unacceptable. That's why they are irrelevant.
If these profits continue and there's no agreement by March 2016 you will have a pilot group in open revolt.
The NMB will be the least of ALPA's worries.