Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760098)

I am not sure what the training issue might have to do with our contract. You have long predicted a training disaster that has never arrived. We have used off site training throughout my career at Delta. Never been a issue before. Doubt it will be in the future.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1760249)

Carl, Scambo (and anyone else who wants to see the data):

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1760249)

Sailingfun used common vernacular rather than get into "Equivalent Available Seat Kilometers." He makes a good point that the other carriers could pull down capacity and pop Delta up on a percentage basis.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1760249)

When the Trans Atlantic JV was written I applauded the idea of percentage allocation. We have learned that even our parent companies (on both sides of the Atlantic) have difficulty complying.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1760327)

It was mostly political a$$-covering Bar. But to the extent that study from DALPA can be believed given its a$$-covering objective, even it showed that our EASK percentages are down from where they're supposed to be. Now, since we're talking about percentages, that can only mean that the Euro's percentages of EASK's are up from where they're supposed to be. That's not my opinion Bar, that's math. It's not arguable. I can't believe you seem to be trying to do so.



That's a meaningless point Bar. It makes no difference what remedy might have been used to bring us to the percentages set forth in our contract. It only matters that Delta management has not done what they can control to ensure the contractual percentages are met. And of course our "union" has done nothing but agree to longer time periods of non-compliance. But that's not Delta's problem, it's Delta's solution.



Delta doesn't have "difficulty" complying Bar. Our "union" has given them not one single bit of difficulty for not complying. We've only agreed to make it easier for them to not comply.

Carl

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1760320)

Delta is the most profitable airline, and yet pilots question their
business decisions. Personally I don't care what planes we fly/buy as long as we make money. We are employees, not managers. We don't decide what airplanes Delta will buy. Given our status, I think it's fair to expect industry leading pay for the equipment we operate, but I don't expect 380 pay for flying a 737.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1760320)

Delta is the most profitable airline, and yet pilots question their
business decisions. Personally I don't care what planes we fly/buy as long as we make money. We are employees, not managers. We don't decide what airplanes Delta will buy. Given our status, I think it's fair to expect industry leading pay for the equipment we operate, but I don't expect 380 pay for flying a 737.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760280)

Carl stated that AF/kLM's share of the flying has gone up while ours has shrunk. You tell me, is that true or not?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760280)

Unless all the data is fabricated the answer is it's not true.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760280)

I don't get what the above on your post is about. If your going to compare our share of flying over time you have to look at the past. Not quite the same as a approach plate but I think you knew that.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1760334)

Never mind the simple point that they are in compliance until 1 APR of next year. Never heard of being able to grieve potential future violations.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1760350)

1. The company has no plan nor any intentions to be in compliance. They were going to be close, but then parked 1/4 of the whale fleet. There will be a violation.

2. My Noles are off to their standard start, it appears.

3. Holey moley, Aggies!

Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1760339)

Let's get something straight, I'm glad RA is here and we are profitable. I wouldn't trade our management team with anyone in the industry. I find it hard to believe that you are actually a pilot with the part that I highlighted in red. So you would be alright if Delta decided that it was cheaper and better for the bottom line for VA or one of our other code shares to fly the big metal and we will fly everything from the 737-900 and down.

We had about equal 747's to 777's when we merged. Now we are getting rid of the 747's with all replacements in sight being at the A330 level and lower. That is half of the highest paying seats at the airline. I hope that the RFP that keeps getting pushed back will fix that but until that day we are replacing higher paying jobs with lower paying ones.