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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1760344)
You are unbelievable. The company has said they're not in compliance with the EASK percentage requirement. They've also said that they don't foresee they will be in compliance during this current cure period that ends next Spring. The union has said the exact same thing. That's because they're NOT in compliance with our contract. They are not currently in violation of the contract because their current non-compliance isn't a violation until next Spring.
I know you don't know the difference between then and than, but could you please try to learn the difference between compliance and violation? Carl People can complain about their perceptions all they want but facts are stubborn things. We Delta pilots are down to about 47% of the flying in our Atlantic joint venture. We have a netloss, they have a net gain. (Down to 47% from what Carl?) Baloney. That's why percentages are the metric. Our percentage share of the flying has gone down. That's not arguable. The euros percentage of the flying has gone up. That's also not arguable. (All the numbers show that the percentages have remained almost exactly the same.) |
[QUOTE=Xray678;1760363]Scope is a different issue than the planes we fly. Scope should be tighter, no doubt. I am against any outsourcing of our flying, though little of that has to do with pilot jobs. Delta provides a better product than anyone we could outsource too. Why we continue to dilute our product is beyond me.
But if Delta decides a transcon is more profitable with a 739 than a 767, fine. And if they decide the Pacific can be better served with a 330neo than a 747, again, fine. RA and his guys decide what planes to buy and where to fly them. They are doing a damm good job with those decisions. We are at or close to the top in all pay scales. Add in profit-sharing and it gets even better. Do we need raises, yes. Am I unhappy with the job Delta management is doing.... Hell no. Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am employed by a Delta. I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon.[/QUOTE] Recent history would say that you don't have anything to worry about in regard to a lunar landing, however do you mind me asking how long you've been at Delta? |
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Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1760363)
Scope is a different issue than the planes we fly. Scope should be tighter, no doubt. I am against any outsourcing of our flying, though little of that has to do with pilot jobs. Delta provides a better product than anyone we could outsource too. Why we continue to dilute our product is beyond me.
But if Delta decides a transcon is more profitable with a 739 than a 767, fine. And if they decide the Pacific can be better served with a 330neo than a 747, again, fine. RA and his guys decide what planes to buy and where to fly them. They are doing a damm good job with those decisions. We are at or close to the top in all pay scales. Add in profit-sharing and it gets even better. Do we need raises, yes. Am I unhappy with the job Delta management is doing.... Hell no. Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am employed by a Delta. I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon.[/QUOTE] Recent history would say that you don't have anything to worry about in regard to a lunar landing, however do you mind me asking how long you've been at Delta? |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1760320)
Delta is the most profitable airline, and yet pilots question their
business decisions. Personally I don't care what planes we fly/buy as long as we make money. We are employees, not managers. We don't decide what airplanes Delta will buy. Given our status, I think it's fair to expect industry leading pay for the equipment we operate, but I don't expect 380 pay for flying a 737. |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1760363)
Scope is a different issue than the planes we fly. Scope should be tighter, no doubt. I am against any outsourcing of our flying, though little of that has to do with pilot jobs. Delta provides a better product than anyone we could outsource too. Why we continue to dilute our product is beyond me.
But if Delta decides a transcon is more profitable with a 739 than a 767, fine. And if they decide the Pacific can be better served with a 330neo than a 747, again, fine. RA and his guys decide what planes to buy and where to fly them. They are doing a damm good job with those decisions. We are at or close to the top in all pay scales. Add in profit-sharing and it gets even better. Do we need raises, yes. Am I unhappy with the job Delta management is doing.... Hell no. Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am employed by a Delta. I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon. http://i.imgur.com/2SlhvsZ.png |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1760363)
Scope is a different issue than the planes we fly. Scope should be tighter, no doubt. I am against any outsourcing of our flying, though little of that has to do with pilot jobs. Delta provides a better product than anyone we could outsource too. Why we continue to dilute our product is beyond me.
But if Delta decides a transcon is more profitable with a 739 than a 767, fine. And if they decide the Pacific can be better served with a 330neo than a 747, again, fine. RA and his guys decide what planes to buy and where to fly them. They are doing a damm good job with those decisions. We are at or close to the top in all pay scales. Add in profit-sharing and it gets even better. Do we need raises, yes. Am I unhappy with the job Delta management is doing.... Hell no. Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am employed by a Delta. I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon. Wonder if the increased profit sharing will equal the difference between narrow body captain pay and wide body captain pay because that is how much money a lot of pilots will be losing due to these JV's. |
Originally Posted by Delta1067
(Post 1760377)
Lloyd Christmas has a better chance of getting in Mary Swansons pants than that happening.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1760344)
You are unbelievable. The company has said they're not in compliance with the EASK percentage requirement. They've also said that they don't foresee they will be in compliance during this current cure period that ends next Spring. The union has said the exact same thing. That's because they're NOT in compliance with our contract. They are not currently in violation of the contract because their current non-compliance isn't a violation until next Spring.
I know you don't know the difference between then and than, but could you please try to learn the difference between compliance and violation? Carl http://i.imgur.com/jBYvFpE.png |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1760364)
Carl, here are your statements that I responded to. Both are incorrect. I don't care how you spin it.
People can complain about their perceptions all they want but facts are stubborn things. We Delta pilots are down to about 47% of the flying in our Atlantic joint venture. We have a netloss, they have a net gain. (Down to 47% from what Carl?) Baloney. That's why percentages are the metric. Our percentage share of the flying has gone down. That's not arguable. The euros percentage of the flying has gone up. That's also not arguable. (All the numbers show that the percentages have remained almost exactly the same.) Carl |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1760363)
Scope is a different issue than the planes we fly. Scope should be tighter, no doubt. I am against any outsourcing of our flying, though little of that has to do with pilot jobs. Delta provides a better product than anyone we could outsource too. Why we continue to dilute our product is beyond me.
But if Delta decides a transcon is more profitable with a 739 than a 767, fine. And if they decide the Pacific can be better served with a 330neo than a 747, again, fine. RA and his guys decide what planes to buy and where to fly them. They are doing a damm good job with those decisions. We are at or close to the top in all pay scales. Add in profit-sharing and it gets even better. Do we need raises, yes. Am I unhappy with the job Delta management is doing.... Hell no. Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am employed by a Delta. I just hope ALPA doesn't f@ck things up by asking for the moon. How many contracts have you been through? How much of your pay and retirement money was taken from you in 2004? :rolleyes: |
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