Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1873136)

Is that 50-60 block average including reserves? I know a lot of International reserve guys don't fly much.

The rumored IOE trip hold back is win-win... for the company. They won't need as many pilots in every category to cover the flying they hold back, and they won't have to pay anyone to stay home or pay them twice, if they pick up another trip. So it effects manning -and- pay.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1873160)

Delta is making billions in profits no one ever could have imagined. Our execs compensation is up well over 700% and we got a 3% hourly increase.

Make your voice heard. Call and email your reps. OFTEN. They need your support. Ask your reps who is in the MEC office? Are the same insiders that brought us C2012 working there?

Pay attention.

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1873150)

And ALPA says it only affects a small number of pilots, which is true if you take a snapshot. But the junior FO's will be senior FO's soon , and they will miss out on what we have now. So in reality, it affects a very large % of FO's if we take this concession.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1873160)

As we had into this weeks MEC meeting, the tails is wagging the dog.

Delta is making billions in profits no one ever could have imagined. Our execs compensation is up well over 700% and we got a 3% hourly increase.

We need 18% plus to hit hourly rates that are 11 years old with no inflation.

This month management will announce yet another round of billion dollar buybacks.


So.....



We are discussing the long overdue historic gains. Right?

Wrong.

We are discussing how to save managment from a staffing crisis they brought on themselves. Their own Steve Dickson told they to hire earlier.

Now we are on our heels (as usual) playing defense. Why are we discussing first officers dispalced for training? sick leave? productivity concessions?

Let's be clear. Our hourly rates need to hit 20% plus 1/1/16 without touching profit sharing. Our internation scope and hotel language need to be the best ever written.

But this cannot overshadow our overwhelming deisre to improve our quality of life. We spend far too much time away from home. We saved the company from liquidation with our countless sacrifices.

Those days are gone. Our bankruptcy concessions are no longer necessary and many were not necessary at all.
Pay attention because if we do not change course, we will not only not improve our quality of life, we will move backward.

The fact that management is behind is not our fault. They are very bright, they will work their way through these challenges.

Make your voice heard. Call and email your reps. OFTEN. They need your support. Ask your reps who is in the MEC office? Are the same insiders that brought us C2012 working there?

Pay attention.

Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 1873192)

I'm going to put a huge AMEN to this one. THEY created this manning issue...I am sure their bean counters looked at total $ for new hires included 401k and Insurance and said "You can afford to wait" and now look....

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1873198)

Close, but it was a timing issue more then cost.. About three years ago Flight Ops wanted to hire but the front office was determined to show a first quarter profit and anything that put that first quarter profit at risk (the expense of hiring) was delayed.

Our management is pretty smart. They weighed the Pros and Cons and decided to do everything within their power to produce a first quarter profit. Well they did, and Wall St and the S&P boys were impressed - just as management knew they would be.

Fast forward three years - DAL is still behind the power curve on manning. And now they are desperate for Pilot productivity. That is the name of the game boys - "Productivity." They want us to each fly a lot more block hours per month.

The funny thing is, they say this while at the same time patting themselves on the back for matching the "exactly" right capacity in every market via the diverse fleet that they were smart enough to deploy.

So on one hand we as Pilots are inefficient because we require all the things that go along with a diverse fleet (more training, more reserves etc) yet they are geniuses maximizing revenue.

Guess what boys - Record profits should equal Record Pilot compensation! :D

OBTW - I keep hearing this word "concession" does anyone know what it means? I know what compromise means but I am totally at loss for concession. ;)

Scoop

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1873167)

Just curious what do AA, UA, and SW do for OE? This contract should not have concessions and recovery obligations is a concession and blocked LCA trips is a much much larger concession!

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1873217)

How would you even bid? I usually put trip numbers in for my top choices. So they would run the A lines first and then pull the B lines and I would not have any idea what trips were going to be pulled at the time I bid? I don't think so buddy.