I'm gonna say.... I think ALL of the new guys get it. They are more aware of the landscape out there than SOME old timers. Let's just ALL not be in a hurry to squander an opportunity. No to any reduction in profit sharing and sub standard pay / scope. I think Delta got by easy on C2012...

It's no more flawed than you posting the entire FDX company pension numbers instead of the FDX pilots' pension numbers. But again, maybe a FDX guy can weigh in on the current funding level of the FDX pilot pension plan.

True, so let's accept for the sake of argument that the FDX pilot pension plan isn't overfunded but 90% funded like the rest of FDX employee pension plans. By any definition, a 90% funding level is a very healthy pension plan. Now back to the discussion that started this: Specifically, your foolish claim that FDX or SWA don't have better contracts than Delta pilots. FDX pilots lead in pay and they have very healthy DB retirement plans. When you argue against that in favor of the Delta contract, you look foolish.

I don't know as I am incorrect. What you've posted doesn't prove anything. But even accepting a 90% funding of the FDX pilot pension plan, you're still foolishly jingoistic to think we have a better contract.

Carl

This should be our contract war cry!!! Give me a reason ! :)

Back door open

I'm ok with monetizing PS...IF... we do it after contract negotiations and with a SEPARATE memrat. The group needs to decide it as a separate issue. Doubt it will pass... this year.

Hey wait, what the ****, get back here you!

Carl

So not implimenting pay cuts, at this time, is his plan? :rolleyes:

What a colossal waste of money more desperately needed for reinvestment in infrastructure and employees.

Some level of dividend probably makes sense, but a short-medium term transfer of 5B in capital to long term investors and zero loyality analcyst day traders alike will in no way provide the same ROI as investing a few billion more into our product.

In any case there is zero justification for any concessions, givebacks, fixes or relief of any kind right now. C2015 should be complete gains in every category with no givebacks and if not then no deal.

Going by the small slice of the guys and gals in my class, and those in the class prior and after that I talked to, I'd agree. Engaged & aware (and potentially a threat to the status quo at DALPA). Note the historically high numbers of new hires signing up for ALPA-PAC. It's not because we're all fans of ALPA - but most recognize how important pull in DC is to our careers, and that money is it.

And all DC-9-10 sized outsourced "RJ's" to be sunsetted immediately upon their current expirations with no extensions. And SEA is a hub, period.