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If our scope clause, pay rates, work rules, per diem, international override and retirement looked like the three companies you just pointed out, I think even Carl might vote YES.

Carl would absolutely vote YES to that. But those guys are represented by a union. So...

Carl

MikeF16

05-12-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1878966)

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How many UPS and FedEx boxes flew on foreign carriers last year?

While not a foreign carrier, JB set a company record for the amount of packages they carried for UPS last quarter. Source was a company memo to pilots that guys in my crash pad shared.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1878989)

40%? Couldn't be. According to Carl, Scambo, PD etc "historically" retro is dated back to the contract amendable date. Surely if we fight for the next three years for a 46% raise+ status quo profit sharing, and no work rule givebacks, we'll also get a 100% 3 year retro check.

How would you know about any of this? You're brand new and have experienced nothing yet. Every single Section 6 I've been involved with since 1979 had retro pay back to the amendable date. That's historically accurate. Denigrate what you know nothing about as you wish, but you look foolish doing so.

Carl

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1879010)

As to your UPS/FDX/SWA contract tidbits, please try not to change the subject, I am referring to their pace of negotiations in Section 6 under the RLA, and how the NMB is handling their situations.

What relevance would that have without knowing what their respective openers were? Without the panic of Delta management to take back employee profit sharing to some degree, Delta management could be deciding to drag their feet as well...in spite of folks like you offering to accept anything to make fear of the unknown go away.

By trying to denigrate what's going on at UPS/FDX/SWA, your undeserved arrogance just makes Delta pilots look arrogant and disconnected. You're doing us no favors ace.

Carl

hockeypilot44

05-12-2015 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1879315)

I will say that it seems the days of full retro pay are over. The new thing is for management to delay a new contract as long as possible, then offer a signing bonus which is usually fractions of what retro pay would be. It seems management is getting better at exploiting the railway labor act and self help is almost impossible without breaking or bending some laws. ALPA is not willing to do that thus our leverage is almost non-existant.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1879039)

Brother, you are a piece of work. I invite you to find one solitary post where any one of the above posters has ever posted anything about "retro" pay.

When you don't find any, you can post your apology here.

As for me, I refuse to allow my expecations for C15 to be lowered by you and your ilk.

You and scambo haven't posted anything on retro pay, but I did recently on another thread.

Carl

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1879096)

Which isn't to say we can't reject a deal, but I don't know of one precedent where a rejected TA yielded a better deal. Do you?

When have Delta pilots set a precedent of rejecting a TA?

Carl

shiznit

05-12-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1878905)

This is an example of someone getting info only from DALPA. Really sad.

The FedEx guys make as much as our top guys and they make it throughout a far greater range of the seniority list than we do. They also have a DB retirement that is overfunded due to an investment performance that has stood the test of time. I'd take their contract immediately as is. Same for Southwest regarding pay AND to have Southwest's scope would be amazing. I'd take their contract immediately as is.

Weird, look at the line "Funded status of the plans".. Normally the parentheses around a number denote a negative (i.e. underfunded). FDX must use different nomenclature.

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They also plan on making a 580,000,000 contribution in 2015.

Except from page 53 of the most recent FDX 10K.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1879099)

And the company feigned neutrality on CDO's laying blame at the MEC, yet when they were taken out we were penalized. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1879105)

That's the price of dysfunction, isn't it?

No, it's not. It's the price we paid for fear and a non-existent time crunch. We didn't need a deal on FAR 117...management desperately needed it. That was huge leverage for us to simply walk away when management demanded to extract a price for our dysfunction. Walking away is what any professional negotiator would have done. Instead, we ran scared and accepted punishment from management even though we had the leverage.

Sad and truly embarrassing what amateurs we send in to negotiate on our behalf sometimes.

Carl

Elliot

05-12-2015 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1878874)

Negative. Not anything. I will vote for any gain I believe can't be made up for if we head back to the table.

If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.

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