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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 1878966)
With respect to SWA, UPS, FDX, I'd say over the long haul, it has worked exceptionally well. You've selected three of the highest paid pilot groups for the last decade or more which also have some of the strongest scope clauses. If we had the patience and fortitude they have, we may get the industry leading contract DALPA has promised.
How many UPS and FedEx boxes flew on foreign carriers last year? How many more widebody captains are wearing UPS and FDX uniforms as a result of their scope. Have you ever seen a SWA airplane painted in concessionary code share colors? What percentage of passengers buying a ticket from SWA fly on SWA? How does that percentage compare to DAL? We could have those long term wins that take this from a job to a career if as a group we had the long term focus and strength to only vote YES when we really mean it. If our scope clause, pay rates, work rules, per diem, international override and retirement looked like the three companies you just pointed out, I think even Carl might vote YES. As to your UPS/FDX/SWA contract tidbits, please try not to change the subject, I am referring to their pace of negotiations in Section 6 under the RLA, and how the NMB is handling their situations. (As an aside, like you, I see things those three have that would be nice here, but I definitely dislike other parts.) |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1878989)
40%? Couldn't be. According to Carl, Scambo, PD etc "historically" retro is dated back to the contract amendable date. Surely if we fight for the next three years for a 46% raise+ status quo profit sharing, and no work rule givebacks, we'll also get a 100% 3 year retro check.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1878989)
40%? Couldn't be. According to Carl, Scambo, PD etc "historically" retro is dated back to the contract amendable date. Surely if we fight for the next three years for a 46% raise+ status quo profit sharing, and no work rule givebacks, we'll also get a 100% 3 year retro check.
Please show me where I've ever mentioned retro anything. You weren't here for the sacrifices that made this company what it is. You are riding coat tails and preaching. If I ever meet you in person, you will be the first new hire I didn't pick up the tab for. There is a line, you are over it. |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1878989)
40%? Couldn't be. According to Carl, Scambo, PD etc "historically" retro is dated back to the contract amendable date.
When you don't find any, you can post your apology here. As for me, I refuse to allow my expecations for C15 to be lowered by you and your ilk. |
We don't need to give up ANYTHING!
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Sailing, Alpha, Slow, Shiz. Since y'all seem to be in the know with management connections, I have a question. Supposedly RA is saying we don't fly enough and are not productive. How does the company calculate the sick leave used? Hours or days used. IE: call in sick for a 4 day and call in well 6 days later or 2 days into the 4 day trip? Also, I understand they don't like the amount of MIL leave guys are taking(personally know 2010 hires that have less than 200 hours as a Delta pilot). If they don't like this, why do they keep grabbing up the military guys that are still in the guard/reserve? Are they using the MIL leave added to the sick time(days not hours) to skew the productivity of the pilot group?
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1878965)
We rejected the CDOs in the FAR 117 LOA and got a better deal in 10 minutes.
Which isn't to say we can't reject a deal, but I don't know of one precedent where a rejected TA yielded a better deal. Do you? |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1879079)
Sailing, Alpha, Slow, Shiz. Since y'all seem to be in the know with management connections, I have a question. Supposedly RA is saying we don't fly enough and are not productive. How does the company calculate the sick leave used? Hours or days used. IE: call in sick for a 4 day and call in well 6 days later or 2 days into the 4 day trip? Also, I understand they don't like the amount of MIL leave guys are taking(personally know 2010 hires that have less than 200 hours as a Delta pilot). If they don't like this, why do they keep grabbing up the military guys that are still in the guard/reserve? Are they using the MIL leave added to the sick time(days not hours) to skew the productivity of the pilot group?
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1879096)
Actually, not if you're on Reserve. One of the items lost in the second deal was to revert back to a 12-hr LC from a 13-hr LC. Another example of MEC infighting costing real pilot real QOL.
Which isn't to say we can't reject a deal, but I don't know of one precedent where a rejected TA yielded a better deal. Do you? |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1879099)
And the company feigned neutrality on CDO's laying blame at the MEC, yet when they were taken out we were penalized. :rolleyes:
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