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Negative. Not anything. I will vote for any gain I believe can't be made up for if we head back to the table.

If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.

As Carl said earlier, retro pay is historically a part of any contract that goes past the amendable date. There is no rush here.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1878770)

Too bad Winston Wolf wasn't on the NC.

Me:"I don't want to hear about no self funding. All I want to hear from your @ss is 'you ain't got no problem line-guy, I'm on the motherf@$&r, go back in there and chill them pilots out and wait for the cavalry, which will be there directly'"
DALPA-"You ain't got no problems line guy. Go back there and chill those pilots out, and wait for the MEC, which will be there directly"
Me -"you sendin the MEC?!!"
DALPA- "Feel better, Mf'er?"
Me " Sh!# DALPA, that's all you had to say"

Outstanding Pulp Fiction reference! Although you did have to edit it a bit I see. :D

Carl

NWA320pilot

05-12-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1878874)

The question begs what are we going to give up for these rumored rates? A raise isn't a raise if we pay for it in other areas of the PWA.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1878783)

Nice. I still love that movie. Wonder what they said to the MEC to make them change their battle plan? Any guesses?

1. Richard - You want a piece of me MFers? I still have the bodies of the NWA MEC in the back of my Prius!!
2. Ed - I will not lose any more sleep over pilot pay! We took your retirement once and we can do it again.
3.

3. I bought you fair and square. I need to see a continued return on my investment.

Carl

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1878825)

Two years of the same $$$ plus the compound interest would be more beneficial, according to math.

Your investment strategy may be different.

Tell that to the guys that hit the retirement point prior to a deal and get nothing...

Translation: If I'm ever gonna earn my way to the pig trough, I need to advocate for as many reasons as possible to vote YES.

Carl - Advanced Translation Services

Mesabah

05-12-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1878877)

As Carl said earlier, retro pay is historically a part of any contract that goes past the amendable date. There is no rush here.

From the SEC filings, Delta is not at peak profit yet, that looks to be about a year or so away. Personally I would wait too, as you say, though my opinion doesn't matter.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1878874)

Translation: I will vote YES for ANYTHING I'm told to vote YES for...and continue to set up impossible reasons to vote NO.

Carl - Advanced Translation Services

Gunfighter

05-12-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1878825)

Voting yes just because you want the pay now is about as wise an a NYC 7ER F/O picking up open time on Memorial Day today just because they have the weekend off and want to "fill up" for the month. I would advise them to have a little confidence, be patient and take a small risk waiting for the Green Slip. Patience and self discipline will be rewarded.

Are you willing to take two years of a substandard pay raise plus compound interest rather than be patient for an industry leading contract from a company who is making Billions of dollars in large part due to our decade old bankruptcy concessions?

I don't deny the time value of money, I also know that time is on our side in this negotiation. The company is on record as saying they have taken labor risk off the table. The closer we are to the end of the contract, the more labor risk enters the picture. The vote yes now mentality witnessed in C2012 is exactly the reason I've invested every penny of that small pay raise in my personal Vote NO Fund. I wish more of us had done the same.

If the first offer is a TA that meets your survey inputs, please be honest and vote yes. If the initial TA falls short, you owe it to yourself and the other 12k pilots to vote no.

Carl Spackler

05-12-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1878876)

The question isn't just pay rates though is it? I guess my points all above still apply. Would you choose to adopt someone else's contract as it is if you could right now? I sure wouldn't.

This is an example of someone getting info only from DALPA. Really sad.

The FedEx guys make as much as our top guys and they make it throughout a far greater range of the seniority list than we do. They also have a DB retirement that is overfunded due to an investment performance that has stood the test of time. I'd take their contract immediately as is. Same for Southwest regarding pay AND to have Southwest's scope would be amazing. I'd take their contract immediately as is.

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1878876)

Its not perfect, but saying that the grass is really greener is a bit disingenuous of all of us. I'm as guilty as doing it as any other gear swinger. But we have done well by constantly negotiating rather than fighting one huge battle for a decade (AA for example).

We don't lead the industry in one single section of our contract. Not one. That needs to change.

Carl

Purple Drank

05-12-2015 11:49 AM

The sales push is on.

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