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Bucking Bar 11-17-2014 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1765199)
True Headings is pretty much the publication of the Special Committee. They never sign that document because they don't discuss who are members of the Special Committee.

Because the Special Committee only lives to destroy the DPA or any other alternative union drive that ever happens within Delta. When your only reason for existence is to destroy other entities, you tend to be mostly negative in tone and spirit.

Yes, and he's clearly not. My opinion is that he's working as hard as he can to minimize pilot costs to his friends and partners in management. His challenge is doing that while pretending to be fighting for us.

Carl

There are several committees; Pilot 2 Pilot, Delta Pilot Network (works with Pilot 4 Pilot doing operations which might be "special" like furlough and emergency relief ... their last project I believe was the Colorado flooding) and Communications Committees. The best way for ALPA volunteers to ensure their efforts are supported is to do a good job serving the Delta pilots.

MEC Publications are typically produced by the Communications Committee and yes, names are published as part of the MEC's normal administrative responsibilities.

Carl, you are a smart man. Why do you repeat such nonsense when all you have to do is sign on to your MECs web site and employ the search function, or call a Rep?

TheManager 11-17-2014 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1765156)
Please give an example of the negativity in the article. I don't see it.

Also, True Headings is the MEC newsletter. It's an official message from the MEC. Do you want to know specifically who wrote it?

First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.

Ok. Next.

The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.


The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.


"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."

Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."

Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.

This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.

Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.

gzsg 11-17-2014 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1765221)
First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.

Ok. Next.

The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.


The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.


"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."

Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."

Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.

This is a giant fail

Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.

Exactly.

Maybe Malone will have a surprise run for MEC chairman in Jan.

A gallon of jet fuel is down $1 since the peak in 2013. Netting Delta an additional $4 billion in profits for 2015. Why do we care what other air lines are in section 6?

Zero goals. Zero leadership. We need a new leader in Jan. I think we should hire RA and pay him $25 million. He sets goals, communicates and succeeds.

Carl Spackler 11-17-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1765215)
There are several committees; Pilot 2 Pilot, Delta Pilot Network (works with Pilot 4 Pilot doing operations which might be "special" like furlough and emergency relief ... their last project I believe was the Colorado flooding) and Communications Committees.

That's nonsense as you well know. Pilot 2 Pilot already has its name. Same with Delta Pilot Network and the Communications Committee. There is only one Special Committee and that is the committee that has the actual name of "The Special Committee." The Special Committee has been funded to date at over $100,000 and was created by ALPA national to destroy any alternate pilot union activity at Delta. I know you know this, so why the attempt at subterfuge Bar?


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1765215)
The best way for ALPA volunteers to ensure their efforts are supported is to do a good job serving the Delta pilots.

What does that have to do with the topic of The Special Committee?


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1765215)
MEC Publications are typically produced by the Communications Committee and yes, names are published as part of the MEC's normal administrative responsibilities.

Typically, yes. But not for The Special Committee. Their publication is called True Headings and they are ALWAYS unsigned. True Headings also NEVER uses the term Special Committee anywhere in the publication even though that is the name of their committee.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1765215)
Carl, you are a smart man.

You're probably smarter than I am Bar. Which is so puzzling as to why you feel the need to purposely mislead.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1765215)
Why do you repeat such nonsense when all you have to do is sign on to your MECs web site and employ the search function, or call a Rep?

When one is reading a document, the author should sign said document. One should not have to call the publisher or sign on to its website to determine who authored it. Donatelli signs his stuff. So do my reps. So does the negotiating committee. The Special Committee should be no different. But they are. They NEVER sign any of their publications. That's why my name for them is The Secret Police. Every dictatorship needs one.

Carl

Express pilot 11-17-2014 07:26 AM

Can we PD Dec 26th? I think the 24th, 25th, 31st we cannot.

Carl Spackler 11-17-2014 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1765221)
First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.

Ok. Next.

The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.


The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.


"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."

Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."

Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.

This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.

Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.

Very well said.

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-17-2014 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1765230)
Exactly.

Maybe Malone will have a surprise run for MEC chairman in Jan.

A gallon of jet fuel is down $1 since the peak in 2013. Netting Delta an additional $4 billion in profits for 2015. Why do we care what other air lines are in section 6?

Zero goals. Zero leadership. We need a new leader in Jan. I think we should hire RA and pay him $25 million. He sets goals, communicates and succeeds.

RA already is our MEC chairman...just sayin.

Maybe Malone can unseat him.

Carl

scambo1 11-17-2014 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1765247)
Can we PD Dec 26th? I think the 24th, 25th, 31st we cannot.

You can pd any day that isn't reserve capped.

scambo1 11-17-2014 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1765221)
First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.

Ok. Next.

The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.


The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.


"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."

Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."

Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.

This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.

Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.


I read it the exact same way. Expectation management.

shiznit 11-17-2014 07:43 AM

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