Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1713841)

My Scoop speaks for me!

Clearly, the Reserve system's trip into a Marxist-Leninist bent post 9/11 was punitive to many pilots that had already pre-paid their dues under the old system, and were subsequently unable to get any credit for their seniority, the value of which plummeted to zero. Our devalued rights, which were converted into some new crap called RAW currency, which was given freely to all. Which made a new hire just as much of a prince or a peasant as anyone else, and so it was that ftb and other newhires got to think of themselves as equally entitled to flying as someone who HAD been furloughed, HAD lost the game of LOW/HIGH yellows when it was their turn, but now couldn't use their seniority at all to compete for flying anymore. We got shafted, but their perspective on this matter was based on the then-existing system of 2007.

So, to the newhires, past dues that went unrewarded went completely unnoticed.

When we finally designed and implemented something better, they 2007 guys cry bitter tears over the fact that there is LITTLE seniority bias to the Reserve system (emphasis on "little"), and they can't bear the thought of losing the artificial equality they had come to live under, never mind that it was an accident of a history they didn't share in. They sure don't mind the fact that a junior guy flies a trip they don't want, but they can't bear the idea of a senior guy sitting a little longer in a different raw bucket. It messes up their brains, this slightly unequal screw-job, even though it is entirely appropriate, and STILL fails to properly pay us back.

My thinking is that when all you're obsessed about is making sure we're all getting screwed equally, you're in the wrong game. When we design a system, as we have that is CLEARLY much better in the aggregate for Reserves we win. And when we design it with a LITTLE seniority bias, we are only doing what is right.

ftb's problem isn't that he got screwed when he was junior (he didn't), is that he has too little respect for those of us that got screwed when we were junior AND when we were more senior.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1713888)

You guys hating on 07 hires, and I hate them too their senior to me, but you realize that reserve is a category by category thing right? What about all of the 1991 hires sitting reserve as Captains, didn't they pay their dues? Getting back at the spoiled 07 hires and after via a pay your dues reserve system does nothing for a vast majority of those on reserve.

And frankly, a reserve system that gives a pilot a month off with pay is a reserve system the company can easily fix and be thankful that you showed where the fat was.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1713847)

Disclaimer.....not complaining here.

Where do you come up with 150K merger stock? Are you assuming that is the value of the merger stock if we did not sell it and still hold it? I'll bet almost all of us dumped that long ago. I sold out at $15/share for about 50K.

Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1713902)

I don't want to make it as quite as "personal" as you made it, but you are spot on with regards to where we came from with reserve, where we went, and what we have clawed back to.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1713863)

That doesn't answer the question. I get it that narrobody is Delta's *****. But that still doesn't tell me how many guys are regularly being driven to 99 hours.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1713831)

What's a high yellow? Where can one select that option?

Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1713763)

T, you should bid narrow body domestic and do a 4 day trip with 17 legs on it. 5 legs a day is great after waking up at 0330! Just for fun bid RES for a few months in a row. You obviously will not do that, but if you did, you might see things a bit differently.