Offsetting a concession doesn't negate the fact they we still gave a concession. Despite what many on this board say or justify, many of us bottom 15%ers haven't seen much movement despite the retirements and growth.

How is it that we have 500-600 new captains in the last year and I've moved up in the 88B cat about 15 numbers, I just recently broke the 50% in category barrier.

I'm not anti ALPA, but it gets old hearing Sailing, Alfa etc tell us how good things are as we work more than we did post BK! I can't dispute the barrage of data that comes from the usual suspects, I just know that the message that you guys are delivering is far different than the reality that many of us are living.

The company is making huge profits (just as they predicted they would) and we got a 3% pay raise on Jan. 1. Good thing we didn't leave any money on the table?

Ok, the company is now forcing you to fly more then you want to fly but you don't try and drop any of the trips because you have to pay the bills? What exactly was the original complaint?

does 96 hours count?

T, you should bid narrow body domestic and do a 4 day trip with 17 legs on it. 5 legs a day is great after waking up at 0330! Just for fun bid RES for a few months in a row. You obviously will not do that, but if you did, you might see things a bit differently.

Found it. Thanks. The last time I had this we had recovery obligations. I knew there was something different.

BTW just to jump into the ALV+15 debate, I bid reserve by choice most months and have never flown over 70 hours. I average about 45-55 and am usually about the middle of the reserve pack as far as seniority goes. Some of the junior guys probably get to ALV quite a bit, but I've never really came close. 58 hours in June, 49 in July, and should be 52 hours in Aug.

My original post was that I have flown more this year than any previously at Delta.

how about 90?

Agreed, our hard nosed negotiators got us every penny. They squeezed the goose til it pooped gold.:rolleyes:

50% in category? Well, don't worry, you'll be senior one day.



/the inevitable post that's coming your way.

I think I will as well (been here since summer 07). However, from 2010 to now we were really overstaffed and nobody really worked much on reserve. Summer 2011 I flew 3 2-day trips the ENTIRE summer! Now that we are not overstaffed most of us will fly more than we ever have on reserve, but so far I have not seen the ALV+15 come into play as far as my personal schedule goes. I watch some of the junior guys on reserve though and I'm sure the bottom few guys come up on ALV most months. The new system does not favor the junior guys at all.