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Alan Shore 08-17-2014 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1707102)
I'm not talking about the reps, I'm talking about the way ALPA operates.

ALPA is our reps. It is those that our reps elect and appoint to do the heavy lifting. It is those that our reps, together with reps from other pilot groups, who elect the national officers.

How else would you have it operate?

Mesabah 08-17-2014 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1706461)
2 weeks til football.

Time for my favorite sports reporter.
http://i62.tinypic.com/4uf23p.jpg
Damn she looks good for her late forties!

Check Essential 08-17-2014 09:56 AM

Good grief.
Today DALPA sent me one of their "True Headings" that they publish to counter the DPA.
I figure its another boring chapter in the on-going battle between a dying DPA and a paranoid DALPA.
But no.

If you cut through all the bluster and legal subterfuge an interesting tid-bit emerges:

Despite months of carefully worded denials,

ALPA has known all along who hacked the DPA website.

My jaw just hit the desk. YGTBSM. Holy federal felony, Batman!

Here we go again. How much dues money is this going to cost us?
This whole hacking fiasco that I thought was a joke, could suddenly become a serious problem.

Mesabah 08-17-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1707103)
ALPA is our reps. It is those that our reps elect and appoint to do the heavy lifting. It is those that our reps, together with reps from other pilot groups, who elect the national officers.

How else would you have it operate?

How do I remove your DAL reps from office as a line pilot at 9E?

ALPA rules from the top down in reality, not the bottom up.

scambo1 08-17-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1707111)
Good grief.
Today DALPA sent me one of their "True Headings" that they publish to counter the DPA.

If you cut through all the bluster and legal subterfuge an interesting tid-bit emerges:

Despite months of carefully worded denials,

ALPA has known all along who hacked the DPA website.

My jaw just hit the desk. YGTBSM. Holy federal felony, Batman!

Here we go again. How much dues money is this going to cost us?
This whole hacking fiasco that I thought was a joke, could suddenly become a serious problem.

I can't believe it, but I just read it.

ALPA/DALPA has obviously and clearly lost its way.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1707113)
How do I remove your DAL reps from office as a line pilot at 9E?

Obviously, you don't, as they represent me, not you.


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1707113)
ALPA rules from the top down in reality, not the bottom up.

I disagree. While there is certainly influence from the top down, ultimate control lies within each pilot group's MEC, other than the ALPA President's ability to refuse to sign an agreement reached by that MEC, and I do not recall that having ever happened (at least not at Delta).

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1707111)
Despite months of carefully worded denials,

ALPA has known all along who hacked the DPA website.

What I read in the latest True Headings was that some pilot with a website of his own that uses the same hosting provider as DPA's website had his network traffic "somehow briefly" mixed with that of the DPA website, that this is not tantamount to hacking (have no idea whether this is true), and that ALPA has both known and discussed this from the start (a look at previous True Headings on the subject confirms that).

What ALPA has denied in the previous True Headings was that it was in any way responsible for hacking DPA's website, and that DPA could and should as its hosting provider for records of any such activity - records that would show the IP address of any computer that had gained access to their website.

According to the True Headings, DPA has never stated that it has done so, let alone reveal the results of such an investigation.

scambo1 08-17-2014 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1707130)
What I read in the latest True Headings was that some pilot with a website of his own that uses the same hosting provider as DPA's website had his network traffic "somehow briefly" mixed with that of the DPA website, that this is not tantamount to hacking (have no idea whether this is true), and that ALPA has both known and discussed this from the start (a look at previous True Headings on the subject confirms that).

What ALPA has denied in the previous True Headings was that it was in any way responsible for hacking DPA's website, and that DPA could and should as its hosting provider for records of any such activity - records that would show the IP address of any computer that had gained access to their website.

According to the True Headings, DPA has never stated that it has done so, let alone reveal the results of such an investigation.

Why does DALPA know the name of the pilot in question?

Mem9guy 08-17-2014 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1706615)
I'm surprised no one has commented on the ALPA contact comparison yet. Glad they added in FedEx and UPS in the comparison. Still no foreign airlines though.

I'll comment...

I found it very misleading to use profit sharing to inflate our hourly rates. It was especially disturbing to me for them to treat future profit sharing as some type of known and guaranteed income.

Hillbilly 08-17-2014 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1707111)
Good grief.

Today DALPA sent me one of their "True Headings" that they publish to counter the DPA.

I figure its another boring chapter in the on-going battle between a dying DPA and a paranoid DALPA.

But no.



If you cut through all the bluster and legal subterfuge an interesting tid-bit emerges:



Despite months of carefully worded denials,



ALPA has known all along who hacked the DPA website.



My jaw just hit the desk. YGTBSM. Holy federal felony, Batman!



Here we go again. How much dues money is this going to cost us?

This whole hacking fiasco that I thought was a joke, could suddenly become a serious problem.


I didn't read it that way at all. I took it to mean they had the name of the pilot who owned a private website that had cross traffic with the DPA website temporarily. ALPA said he was NOT the "John Doe" and I take that to mean that they do not believe he "hacked" anything, which is what was alleged. Directly from the comm piece "The Delta pilot who had traffic briefly mixed with the DPA website is not “John Doe,”"
Sounds like ALPA received protections via the judge for this individual pilot to prevent his name from being thrown around fast and loose as a wrongdoer as there is nothing that points to the person having "hacked" anything.

So, while I agree ALPA stated they knew who this pilot was since early on, I completely disagree that the communication piece indicates that ALPA thinks that this person hacked a darn thing which makes the entire effort by the DPA a circus sideshow. They've also been clear this person wasn't doing anything for ALPA, the Delta MEC or the infamous Special Committee as claimed by the DPA.

I believe it's still the fiasco you thought was a joke. It has the outward appearance to me of an attempt to get people to send Tim money to help cover almost 4 1/2 years of expenses. JMHO


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