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I understand and agree with being both critical and skeptical of management, but if you think that they will be able to take away contractual provisions "during the next crisis ..." what difference does anything make?

I see what you are saying on a philosophical level. But we flat out traded work rules for pay…albeit somewhat embedded in work rules.

The notification requirement post FAR117 was as close as we've come (and possibly ever will again) to having "the hammer" in negotiations. We sold it, just like we did last time. We will never get either back, obviously. The magitude of that might not be apparent for a while, but if we ever take another "haircut" again, we will lose the things we got and never get back what we had.

As for "what difference does it make?" I'd say this is at least a highly "teachable moment" of what we need to stop doing. We've got to stop paying for our own raises.

gloopy

08-16-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1706784)

But doesn't your point about them having already ordered the aircraft and those implications work against them with DL already operating aircraft that size in the form of the 717? They have already set a precedent for 100+ seat airframes being flown on the mainline certificate.

We don't even need to take it that far. One pound or one seat above our current limits and that's it. No quarter. Let them choke on their ignorant fantasies. If we want those planes to operate on our certificate, let them bleed out (won't take long) and buy them on the courthouse steps. They have nothing we need and they have nothing we can't get ourselves for cheaper anyway. Canadair and Embraer would trip all over themselves to ink a deal with a legacy over those scrub fake ACMI RFP CEO's any day.

Mesabah

08-16-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1706784)

I'm not sure why they ordered them. But my confidence in ALPA is zero.

Tinpusher007

08-16-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1706805)

I'm not sure why they ordered them. But my confidence in ALPA is zero.

It definitely seems like an arrogant move. However, with the exception of DL, the other majors don't have or seem to be interested in ordering aircraft of that size. Im not really counting Airways' small E190 fleet.

forgot to bid

08-16-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1706786)

They're just conservative.
Unlike Oregon. :)

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Tsquare hugged her.

Mesabah

08-16-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1706815)

Perhaps as a scope exchange since Alaska is already doing that flying.

sailingfun

08-16-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1706615)

I'm surprised no one has commented on the ALPA contact comparison yet. Glad they added in FedEx and UPS in the comparison. Still no foreign airlines though.

We don't comment on positive things here. This forum is strictly for *****ing and moaning. It was well done and informative. It's hard to include foreign carriers because the tax and benefit structures in each country are very different.

Purple Drank

08-16-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1706847)

How about some inflation-adjusted comparisons? Why the sandbagging? Isn't that the company's job?

forgot to bid

08-16-2014 07:21 PM

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Sweet, the F-111 is back.

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