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bohicagain 08-17-2014 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1706982)
I'm out mountain biking and I come upon this cabin with this very girl out front getting water from a well, but there's this half-blind toothless guy on the porch with a banjo. The girl comes up to me and showing great interest with these innocent yet somehow sexy (in a trashy way) eyes asks me to stay for dinner.

What should I do?

How desperate are you?

badflaps 08-17-2014 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1706982)
I'm out mountain biking and I come upon this cabin with this very girl out front getting water from a well, but there's this half-blind toothless guy on the porch with a banjo. The girl comes up to me and showing great interest with these innocent yet somehow sexy (in a trashy way) eyes asks me to stay for dinner.

What should I do?

What are they having for dinner?

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1706805)
...my confidence in ALPA is zero.

That being the case, I certainly hope that you are working to remove your reps from office ASAP, or at least in the next election cycle, and replacing them with those of your fellow pilots (maybe you?) whom you do trust.

The part of ALPA that deals directly with our negotiations and contract enforcement is nothing more and nothing less than those whom we elect to represent us and those whom they then in turn select to do the heavy lifting on our behalf.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1706853)
How about some inflation-adjusted comparisons? Why the sandbagging?

I disagree that leaving out the CPI index or some other rate of inflation amounts to sandbagging. None of the other financial metrics shown in the contract history were adjusted for inflation. Further, I am quite capable of adjusting any of those metrics myself in any way I choose.

Mesabah 08-17-2014 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1707024)
That being the case, I certainly hope that you are working to remove your reps from office ASAP, or at least in the next election cycle, and replacing them with those of your fellow pilots (maybe you?) whom you do trust.

The part of ALPA that deals directly with our negotiations and contract enforcement is nothing more and nothing less than those whom we elect to represent us and those whom they then in turn select to do the heavy lifting on our behalf.

I've gone this route before, and all ALPA does is bury you in layers of bureaucratic BS. You basically have to run a political campaign to get anywhere, and good luck with that, because usually, the only people who vote, are the ALPA status quo supporters.

So round and round we go, getting nowhere.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1706736)
Didn't we go to "self notification" with the new LOA? They will just put it on your schedule and it is up to you to check and ACK the trip.

The only "self-notification" is for a trip or short call that they place on our line by 1500 on our last X-day. Any other time still requires a phone call from scheduling.

And a reserve pilot no longer has the requirement to acknowledge a trip or short call that's been placed on his line.

Purple Drank 08-17-2014 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1707027)
I disagree that leaving out the CPI index or some other rate of inflation amounts to sandbagging. None of the other financial metrics shown in the contract history were adjusted for inflation. Further, I am quite capable of adjusting any of those metrics myself in any way I choose.

Why wouldn't DALPA be doing everything in its power to highlight the loss of buying power since BK?

That whole "shaping the battlefield" thing.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1707030)
I've gone this route before, and all ALPA does is bury you in layers of bureaucratic BS. You basically have to run a political campaign to get anywhere, and good luck with that, because usually, the only people who vote, are the ALPA status quo supporters.

So round and round we go, getting nowhere.

Numerous discussions with my reps have led me to believe that, while achieving consensus can in fact be quite a cumbersome process, it is quite possible and always worthwhile in the end. And the alternative, that of a dictatorship, is never preferable.

So yes. As with any democracy, there are layers to wade through and you have to be able to bring others around to your point of view to have that perspective carry the day.

I consider that neither BS nor getting nowhere. It is what it is. We can either sit behind our keyboards and wish it were different, or we can stand up and get into the game as our reps have done.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1707040)
Why wouldn't DALPA be doing everything in its power to highlight the loss of buying power since BK?

Perhaps they're wanting at this point simply to give us objective facts from which we can draw our own conclusions?

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1706580)
The assumption is if you don't check it from 1500-2359, fine, but you need to check it by 0000. Of course we no longer have to notify of anything, which was a massive concession IMO. Its unprecedented that we are considered notified now upon first voicemail attempted contact. That was an earth shattering giveaway that will remain forever, long after the higher duty period average goes away during the next crisis or whatever.

I think the company will usually try and notify you, but the logic behind the concessions we gave was that since you can go NORAD for any 10 consecutive hours you want if you haven't got an assignment by then, we shifted the burden of notification to us.

I disagree. The only practical difference between C2K and today is we can now not be used before 1000, rather than 0500 as was the case in C2K. Any flying or short call that reports before noon must still be on our schedule by 1500 the day before and it's still our job to find out about it.

Any other reserve assignment continues to require notification by telephone, unless it is placed on our line prior to block in from our previous rotation.


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