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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1713622)
The question is, do we let the Company buy off 74 Captains and nobody else?
The recent FAR 117 deal was already too close to Section 6 negotiations. Why give away leverage in small chunks? That's foolish. There should be no more LOAs that solve management's problems until Contract 2015 is done. Our contract spells out the process for dealing with surpluses. They need to follow it. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1713518)
In other news, a very touching retirement video: Captain Little?s Retirement Flight ? Krista Little Photography ... and isn't that what having kids is all about? :) |
Passenger seat miles
Talk of scope on here lately has got me wondering, is there any way to determine what percentage of Passenger Seat Miles currently being marketed and sold by Delta Air Lines are flown by Delta Pilots?
In other words, how relavant are we right now as a pilot group to the product being sold as Delta... |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1713535)
I hate this type of back-and-forth arguing, reminiscent of you and Carl...unfortunately, I have noticed repeated attempts by you to wrongly modify folk's understanding of this one item--ALV+15 concession-- and I can't sit and watch you continuously propagate this disinformation. In the future I will just repost a link to these posts, so that someone at least keeps calling you out on this, if you continue to misguide on this point. I don't enjoy it, and usually find your posts informative at least... wish you'd stop harping this one point.
The company a while back put out a summery of the shift in summer verses winter flying and how much it has changed over time. At one time we had a fixed cap. The solution was to displace every fall and post a AE every spring. Since guys were forced back and forth on equipment they were relatively current on it did not generate much training and worked for the company. I went back and forth from the 727 to 767 several times winter to summer. The other solution which DALPA managed to eliminate before I was hired was dual qualed pilots. As far as ALV plus 15 the company had a issue covering longer trips. Pre merger the average trip was much shorter overall. We also had fewer commuters. With basing changes and a dramatically improved reserve system we now have a lot more commuters. New hires choose to commute now which is something you never saw years ago. NW was a largely commuter airline and their trip structure evolved into longer trips as a result. Today we have a airline with a significant number of pilots who want longer trips. We could have said no way to ALV15. We would probably then have not seen the improvements we were able to extract for that. The company would have reacted by reducing trip length. 5 day trips would have gone away and 4 day trips would have been reduced. Longer international flying would have been restructured. Every change in the contract has causes and effects some of which are anticipated and some of which are not forecast. As the airline evolves the contract has to evolve also for both sides. As far as ALV15 I think the union managed to strike a great balance with the company. We had issues and they had issue. We managed to raise reserve pay 8%, eliminate guys being worked every on day in vacation,training and mil leave months and reduce the value where a pilot is full for the month when full. In retrospect it looks like we got the much better end of the deal as the company has not been able to use ALV15 nearly as much as they hoped with 117 coming on line. In fact it's almost a non issue. Back to the original post about working more I have been through multiple cycles of being worked to much to bidding reserve to take the month off. 98% of that is caused by manning. If you're over manned life is good unless you want to fly more time. If undermanned life sucks unless you want overtime. The current situation has little to do with the contract and everything to do with manning. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1713518)
If you're a deadhead, you're on the GenDec... color me confused on that story.
He went to the CPO and now we get a memo about a $1000 fine for showing your id. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1713021)
Most of those guys have parents that bought them houses and BMW's, wives that make more than they do, no kids, etc.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1713629)
No.
The recent FAR 117 deal was already too close to Section 6 negotiations. Why give away leverage in small chunks? That's foolish. There should be no more LOAs that solve management's problems until Contract 2015 is done. Our contract spells out the process for dealing with surpluses. They need to follow it. According to Tom Goodman and Maddog Max, the water's fine... |
Originally Posted by Thrust Normal
(Post 1713599)
Just to add some clarification too... As I remember, one of the issues was we were pulling down flying fairly fast. Especially on the ER. "Forced reserve" was going much higher than could have been reasonably expected. One issue was guys that had bid their category expecting to hold a line by a fair margin. Then all of a sudden they were stuck in a reserve system that had no mechanisms for seniority. I think this LOA was trying to fix that. Which, for the most part, was successful.
On the 1st day of the month all of the pilots were lined up in seniority order. If the RES coverage was full then that senior pilot wouldn't flying for a while. EXCEPT, SC. SC was assigned at random and at the whim of that particular schedule. Sometimes everyone was on reserve and sometimes nobody. It was unpredictable and had senior pilots asking for SC when it was unnecessary but if you wanted to chose your time it was all you could do. But if you were senior and got a trip on SC, you were now at the very way way back of the order. Even if it was a day trip, you were now at the way back. You weren't going to fly. SC needed to be fixed. What they went after, on behalf of those who wanted seniority to be the only factor (i.e. month off with pay) was revamping the trip assignments. At the time you could have 100 guys on reserve, 40 on reserve on weekends who were going to fly (they allowed weekend coverage to drop very low back then) and then 60 guys on weekday res. Those 60 pretty much had the same QOL and it wasn't bad. The bucket system transferred the QOL to the top 10 of those and required the others to fly in their place. The mistake in doing all of this was you showed the company that 10 out of 100 RES guys could go all month with 0 RAW and 0 SC. Well guess what, we only need 90 RES then... so they cut RES to 60. Now everyone is going to fly and the company could now take RES pilots from flying 20-30 hours closer to the 60 average they feel like they're paying for. I guess that left the beneficiary to be international RES pilots on slow months, the NB guys lost more than they gained. http://www.secrant.com/Images/Icons/Iconcheers.gif |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1713691)
Agreed. My understanding is the early retirement scheme targets (from memory) 25 whale captains, but to get that number it has to be offered to everyone in seniority order. When they get the desired number of 747 guys, the early retirement/ bridge program ends.
According to Tom Goodman and Maddog Max, the water's fine... |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1713364)
Herman and Sailingfun two posts above... poor logic.
The fact that senior guys can now make out well on reserve (and thus bid it) has nothing to do whatever with the fact there was a concession that cost pilot jobs. You (sailing) seem to constantly attempt to use rhetoric to misguide and obfuscate the conversation, and attempt to drive home an agenda of "Everything is awesome, there were no concessions whatsoever". 1. It is a fact the airline used to have to be staffed heavier for summer flying, because you couldn't force guys to fly above 72ish hours. 2. It is a fact that failures in staffing during IROPS and at the LIMITS of requirements when things went wrong, are what drove min required pilots. 3. It is a fact that NOW the company INSTANTLY CAN PLAN ON 99ish hours from their reserves WHEN NEEDED FOR IROPS/BAD TIMES. 4. While this high use of reserves is seldom used, almost never, and while the AVERAGE reserve time for guys is much much less than this upper limit...It is still a fact that the company's ABILITY TO GO TO THIS UPPER LIMIT gives them a new LIMITING FACTOR worst-case planning limit that is about 43% more productive than what they had. 5. It is a fact that this seldom-used ability to force guys up towards 99 hours when needed is a huge scheduling/staffing boon to the company, and it allows them to essentially staff the airline for winter flying levels and boost up when rarely needed for summer/irop/bad-times flying. Either you are much much less intelligent than I have been led to believe from your writing, OR... you are knowingly trying to guide attention away from this and misguide folks with your unending parroting of "Very few folks have been flying to 99 hours, so therefore it wasn't a concession!". Again, I'll play and jump in to remind you, and all the others reading this that you're trying to misguide and bamboozle, the concession wasn't how many folks ACTUALLY end up flying 99 hours... it's the fact the company can staff for that uncommon summer weekend/irop need now with much fewer pilots. |
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