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casual observer 08-26-2014 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 1713277)
Wow! At least the Photoshop option only cost me $20 and I look great!

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...psae2deb05.jpg

I remember you. You're the guy with the shar peis.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...6e84f07915.jpg

sailingfun 08-26-2014 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1713203)
Well, there certainly would be a "doubt" if you took DALPA's C12 road show and slick marketing materials at face value.

Wouldn't it be nice to get an objective explanation from "our" "union" instead of the utterly one-sided propaganda we saw on C12?

Funny how reserve goes much more senior now overall then before the concessions!

Herman 08-26-2014 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1713333)
Funny how reserve goes much more senior now overall then before the concessions!

No kidding...

flyallnite 08-26-2014 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1713238)
anybody expense passport photos?

Always. Fill out rotation expense and fax in the receipt.

PilotFrog 08-26-2014 04:08 PM

Next time use snapfish wallet size and then cut it to the right dimensions or use www.123passportphoto.com
There is an app for that. Ha.

Free Bird 08-26-2014 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1713333)
Funny how reserve goes much more senior now overall then before the concessions!

That depends on the fleet. Since C2012 ATL 88B goes significantly more junior. 88 RES is shall we say not desirable. But hey if it helps the Intl folks, why not apply ALV+15 to the entire fleet!

Roadkill 08-26-2014 04:10 PM

Herman and Sailingfun two posts above... poor logic.
The fact that senior guys can now make out well on reserve (and thus bid it) has nothing to do whatever with the fact there was a concession that cost pilot jobs. You (sailing) seem to constantly attempt to use rhetoric to misguide and obfuscate the conversation, and attempt to drive home an agenda of "Everything is awesome, there were no concessions whatsoever".

1. It is a fact the airline used to have to be staffed heavier for summer flying, because you couldn't force guys to fly above 72ish hours.
2. It is a fact that failures in staffing during IROPS and at the LIMITS of requirements when things went wrong, are what drove min required pilots.
3. It is a fact that NOW the company INSTANTLY CAN PLAN ON 99ish hours from their reserves WHEN NEEDED FOR IROPS/BAD TIMES.
4. While this high use of reserves is seldom used, almost never, and while the AVERAGE reserve time for guys is much much less than this upper limit...It is still a fact that the company's ABILITY TO GO TO THIS UPPER LIMIT gives them a new LIMITING FACTOR worst-case planning limit that is about 43% more productive than what they had.
5. It is a fact that this seldom-used ability to force guys up towards 99 hours when needed is a huge scheduling/staffing boon to the company, and it allows them to essentially staff the airline for winter flying levels and boost up when rarely needed for summer/irop/bad-times flying.

Either you are much much less intelligent than I have been led to believe from your writing, OR... you are knowingly trying to guide attention away from this and misguide folks with your unending parroting of "Very few folks have been flying to 99 hours, so therefore it wasn't a concession!".

Again, I'll play and jump in to remind you, and all the others reading this that you're trying to misguide and bamboozle, the concession wasn't how many folks ACTUALLY end up flying 99 hours... it's the fact the company can staff for that uncommon summer weekend/irop need now with much fewer pilots.

sailingfun 08-26-2014 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1713364)
Herman and Sailingfun two posts above... poor logic.
The fact that senior guys can now make out well on reserve (and thus bid it) has nothing to do whatever with the fact there was a concession that cost pilot jobs. You seem to constantly attempt to use rhetoric to misguide and obfuscate the conversation, and attempt to drive home an agenda of "Everything is awesome, there were no concessions whatsoever".

1. It is a fact the airline used to have to be staffed heavier for summer flying, because you couldn't force guys to fly above 72ish hours.
2. It is a fact that failures in staffing during IROPS and at the LIMITS of requirements when things went wrong, are what drove min required pilots.
3. It is a fact that NOW the company INSTANTLY CAN PLAN ON 99ish hours from their reserves WHEN NEEDED FOR IROPS/BAD TIMES.
4. While this high use of reserves is seldom used, almost never, and while the AVERAGE reserve time for guys is much much less than this upper limit...It is still a fact that the company's ABILITY TO GO TO THIS UPPER LIMIT gives them a new LIMITING FACTOR worst-case planning limit that is about 43% more productive than what they had.
5. It is a fact that this seldom-used ability to force guys up towards 99 hours when needed is a huge scheduling/staffing boon to the company, and it allows them to essentially staff the airline for winter flying levels and boost up when rarely needed for summer/irop/bad-times flying.

Either you are much much less intelligent than I have been led to believe from your writing, OR... you are knowingly trying to guide attention away from this and misguide folks with your unending parroting of "Very few folks have been flying to 99 hours, so therefore it wasn't a concession!".

Again, I'll play and jump in to remind you, and all the others reading this that you're trying to misguide and bamboozle, the concession wasn't how many folks ACTUALLY end up flying 99 hours... it's the fact the company can staff for that uncommon summer weekend/irop need now with much fewer pilots.

You seem to have missed the concessions the company made that offset the changes you discuss. You also seem to forget that if reserve usage exceeds 60 hours in a month it triggers a automatic increase in manning for that category. Let's not even get into the fact that crew planning made no changes in manning assumptions with the new contract.

Free Bird 08-26-2014 04:15 PM

Well said Roadkill!

Hillbilly 08-26-2014 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1713224)
ALPA dues - 2% raise while on probation:D

Technically the -1.9% for ALPA dues kicks in when you get off probation (400 hours or 365 days). That coincides with when you are covered in the PWA under the higher standard of "just cause" for any disciplinary/discharge action taken by the company.


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