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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1713376)

You can say what you want Sailing. The fact for many of us domestic guys is that we work more than we used to. I do not chase $$$ and year after year I continue to fly more despite my "Min Credit" bids. Guess if I was more senior that bid line might work.

Living the dream and on track to fly 800 hours this year. Just keep telling me my qol is getting better.

I'll bet that if you throw your trips on the swap board as a pick up you can fly as little as you want...

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1713434)

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Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1713364)

Herman and Sailingfun two posts above... poor logic.
The fact that senior guys can now make out well on reserve (and thus bid it) has nothing to do whatever with the fact there was a concession that cost pilot jobs. You (sailing) seem to constantly attempt to use rhetoric to misguide and obfuscate the conversation, and attempt to drive home an agenda of "Everything is awesome, there were no concessions whatsoever".

1. It is a fact the airline used to have to be staffed heavier for summer flying, because you couldn't force guys to fly above 72ish hours.
2. It is a fact that failures in staffing during IROPS and at the LIMITS of requirements when things went wrong, are what drove min required pilots.
3. It is a fact that NOW the company INSTANTLY CAN PLAN ON 99ish hours from their reserves WHEN NEEDED FOR IROPS/BAD TIMES.
4. While this high use of reserves is seldom used, almost never, and while the AVERAGE reserve time for guys is much much less than this upper limit...It is still a fact that the company's ABILITY TO GO TO THIS UPPER LIMIT gives them a new LIMITING FACTOR worst-case planning limit that is about 43% more productive than what they had.
5. It is a fact that this seldom-used ability to force guys up towards 99 hours when needed is a huge scheduling/staffing boon to the company, and it allows them to essentially staff the airline for winter flying levels and boost up when rarely needed for summer/irop/bad-times flying.

Either you are much much less intelligent than I have been led to believe from your writing, OR... you are knowingly trying to guide attention away from this and misguide folks with your unending parroting of "Very few folks have been flying to 99 hours, so therefore it wasn't a concession!".

Again, I'll play and jump in to remind you, and all the others reading this that you're trying to misguide and bamboozle, the concession wasn't how many folks ACTUALLY end up flying 99 hours... it's the fact the company can staff for that uncommon summer weekend/irop need now with much fewer pilots.

Road kill,

I agree with you that these are two separate issues. The fact that reserve goes more senior system wide basically means reserve is now perceived to be better. This does not mean that the ALV+15 was not a concession - it was, but I have to agree with Sailing on this issue, I think it is a relatively minor concession.

For one thing many categories are often short on reserves in the beginning and middle of the month, not to mention the IROP issue which you bring up and that can occur anytime during the month- ALV+15 provides no help here at all and might even make things worse. If the company tries to carry fewer reserves thinking they will fly more hours they may run out of reserves more often earlier in the month.

Second, as Sailing mentioned there were some offsets that help to minimize hours flown.

Finally, as I have repeatedly stated this concession only affects a small portion of Reserve Pilots, themselves a small portion of all Pilots.

Where we really got our clock cleaned was the 30 day summer months. If you want to talk staffing, this in my opinion is the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Using 3.3% of only 10,000 pilots was and is an instant 330 pilot concession on our most demanding staffing months.

It amazes me how many guys are more concerned about ALV +15 which in my opinion is not even the same league as the 30 day months when it comes to staffing concessions.

FWIW I am a 73N FO and I bounce back and forth from line to reserve quite a bit.

Additionally I think the 5:15/day and paying the reserves the same as line holders will also help out.

In summary: I agree that ALV 15 is a concession albeit a minor one.

Just my opinion.

Scoop :)

+717.................

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1713730)

OK then... have you flown 99 hours as a reserve? Who here has? I don't know ANYBODY that has done that, and I'll betcha there aren't any pilots that have done it for multiple months. This is much ado about nothing.

I do know a SEA pilot who flew a 3 day 18 hour trip. He was then assigned a long trip worth 72 hours for total of 90 hours. He freely admitted however that he put in a yellow high for the trip and would have done so under the old contract also. With the DH deviation on the backside he was done for the month on the 15th with 90 hours pay.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1713730)

On NB categories it's a big deal.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1713732)

I'll bet that if you throw your trips on the swap board as a pick up you can fly as little as you want...

I don't chase $$$ T but I do need to pay my bills.

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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1713744)

I don't chase $$$ T but I do need to pay my bills.

Of course. And that's great. But you were complaining that you have to fly more and more, and it appeared as if you were blaming manning and or the way our schedules are built. There is a solution if you don't want to fly what ever you believe min credit should give you.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1713743)

On NB categories it's a big deal.

Give me a count as to how many guys have actually flown 99 hours with any regularity. Educate me.

I know it's been covered before, but where do you find in the PWA the rules regarding reassignment when you are removed from a rotation so a LCA can do OE? I know they will call around 7 the night before, but I thought they could re-assign you if there were open trips. I got one of those and thought I better figure out how the process works.

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Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1713637)

Talk of scope on here lately has got me wondering, is there any way to determine what percentage of Passenger Seat Miles currently being marketed and sold by Delta Air Lines are flown by Delta Pilots?

In other words, how relavant are we right now as a pilot group to the product being sold as Delta...

Don't look at the % of flights operated by DCI carriers, you'll scare yourself!

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1713751)

One of the pre contract 2012 LOE's eliminated all standby obligations for FO's removed from the trip for training. You will be paid for the trip and are free to WS or GS over those days as you see fit. You could also just go fishing!