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RonRicco 08-20-2014 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1708887)
Well, I don't know if I would accuse people of hiding behind a keyboard unless you're signing your full name to the bottom of your posts. Do that then you can call people out for hiding.

I didn't mean "anonymously" hiding. The same thing would hold true if it were the old ALPA forum where everyone knew everyone else's name. Although I am far from thrilled with everything ALPA, I am also not the one slamming individuals when they are doing a job I apparently am not willing to do.

BTW, it was not directed at you FTB.

Carl Spackler 08-20-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1709007)
Or perhaps they believe that such a policy will produce the best income and working conditions for Delta pilots.

Doesn't really matter, I'm just stating what is our current reality. A majority of our reps do not want restoration or defense of our scope language. They prefer dialogue, partnership and cooperation. That's who we've elected.

Carl

forgot to bid 08-20-2014 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1709027)
I didn't mean "anonymously" hiding. The same thing would hold true if it were the old ALPA forum where everyone knew everyone else's name. Although I am far from thrilled with everything ALPA, I am also not the one slamming individuals when they are doing a job I apparently am not willing to do.

BTW, it was not directed at you FTB.

Fair enough. I was just thinking, we're all anonymous here? :D

Except you and Carl, since you use your real names. FTB is not my real name, it's what I do.

sailingfun 08-20-2014 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1709035)
Doesn't really matter, I'm just stating what is our current reality. A majority of our reps do not want restoration or defense of our scope language. They prefer dialogue, partnership and cooperation. That's who we've elected.

Carl

Would if that is the path to the highest wages and working conditions for Delta pilots? Seems to be working much better then other options so far.

DAL 88 Driver 08-20-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1709021)
You're a dick.
No, you're a dick.
Takes one to know one.
Douche.

You guys are sounding like 10 year olds.

I get it, scambo. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let Alfa badger or intimidate me into silence. He's wrong on what is best for this pilot group, doesn't understand the big picture when it comes to business, and he's extremely disrespectful to anyone who doesn't subscribe to his world of everything being about spreadsheets and numbers. He's one of the very few people on this forum that routinely is arrogant and condescending to those who disagree with him. It makes civil debate impossible when he jumps into the fray.

Sorry. I'm just calling it the way I see it. If you don't like it, then you could always put me on your ignore list or go read the BBQ Blog on the DALPA site. ;)

iceman49 08-20-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1709008)
Where did he say that?

Small get together in ATL mid May of this year.

DAL 88 Driver 08-20-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1709002)
Apple does not selling what is essentially a perishable commodity. Airlines do. It's possible in this industry to generate a very small revenue premium with a large network and superior service. Take a look at the 2013 airline data and you will see how narrow a range that is for the major US airlines.

sailingfun,

Pull your head out of the spreadsheets for a moment and realize that there is a lot more to a successful business than just whoever has the most competitive cost structure. Do you have any education or background in business? I'm guessing no, but I'd really be interested to know where you came up with the notion that the most important thing to business success is cost structure. There is SO much more to it than that. You haven't scratched the surface.

scambo1 08-20-2014 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1709078)
I get it, scambo. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let Alfa badger or intimidate me into silence. He's wrong on what is best for this pilot group, doesn't understand the big picture when it comes to business, and he's extremely disrespectful to anyone who doesn't subscribe to his world of everything being about spreadsheets and numbers. He's one of the very few people on this forum that routinely is arrogant and condescending to those who disagree with him. It makes civil debate impossible when he jumps into the fray.

Sorry. I'm just calling it the way I see it. If you don't like it, then you could always put me on your ignore list or go read the BBQ Blog on the DALPA site. ;)

It wasn't directed at you specifically. I can see how you'd take it that way from my earlier post. If you go back and read the last two pages, you'd see there is a lot of personal mudslinging. As a regular dessert eater here, it just got old.

L&g is supposed to be fun-ish not laborious.

I want more money and more time off. I've unfortunately had to vote no on everything for more than the past decade. I agree with your arguments and your conclusions about what appeasement has morphed into. I'm not afraid to walk the line.

DAL 88 Driver 08-20-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1709084)
It wasn't directed at you specifically. I can see how you'd take it that way from my earlier post. If you go back and read the last two pages, you'd see there is a lot of personal mudslinging. As a regular dessert eater here, it just got old.

L&g is supposed to be fun-ish not laborious.

I want more money and more time off. I've unfortunately had to vote no on everything for more than the past decade. I agree with your arguments and your conclusions about what appeasement has morphed into. I'm not afraid to walk the line.

Thanks for the clarification. No harm no foul. :)

sailingfun 08-20-2014 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1709082)
sailingfun,

Pull your head out of the spreadsheets for a moment and realize that there is a lot more to a successful business than just whoever has the most competitive cost structure. Do you have any education or background in business? I'm guessing no, but I'd really be interested to know where you came up with the notion that the most important thing to business success is cost structure. There is SO much more to it than that. You haven't scratched the surface.

I ran a business for a long time as a backup to Delta. I will however quote a business class professor on the subject. "Give me a 5% cost advantage over a competitor and I will crush them every time".
SWA should serve as a excellent example of this. When they held a significant cost advantage they could go into virtually any market in the US at will and run everyone else out. They lost that advantage in the mid 2000's and have ceased to grow since despite the fact that year over year growth was a cornerstone of their business plan.
We sell a commodity or consumable depending on how you view it. Both always trade in a narrow price range.
That's quite different then most products where you take it home and own it. I purchased a IMAC for my wife because I was fed up with the performance of windows products. I paid almost double what a windows system would have cost. I used to purchase tickets in conjunction with the business. I did like 99 percent of travelers and took the lowest cost ticket since the product is about the same and once the flight is over I don't get to keep the seat!


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