Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.

I suspect the RFP is going to be almost exactly what the company stated. They want around 50 widebodies with deliveries to start in late 2017. The airframes are planned as replacements not growth. The only thing I see changing is if the rest of the whales are parked they might take delivery of some airframes sooner.

Carl Spackler

08-20-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1708965)

You completely omit the most important fact. In business the most important thing is your cost structure relative to your competitors. Lose control of your costs and you will lose the business. The NMB believes he above and regardless of what you believe we have to work through the NMB to get a contract. Those who have ignored that fact have had zero success.

No it's not sailingfun. The most important thing in business is your ability to get a revenue premium over your competitors. Apple is a huge success not because of a competitive cost advantage.

Carl

TeddyKGB

08-20-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1708953)

This isn't a north versus south thing tsquare. It's a simple case of the majority of our current reps do NOT want pay restoration. They prefer partnership and cooperation.

It's not badmouthing them, it's a simple statement of fact. A majority of them truly believe that cooperation with management is more important than restoration, or defending our scope language.

We'll never know because DPA won't be the bargaining agent for C2015. This conversation is about our current union and our current reps.

Carl

It's not that they don't want it, they are just wise enough to know that it isn't attainable. Put your emotion aside and you may come to realize why.

PilotFrog

08-20-2014 09:57 AM

TCU made the Chive!

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...rleaders-0.jpg

Finally a better TCU picture.

Hillbilly

08-20-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1708820)

How can I get ilk?

Very envious. :(

Got ilk? It does a body good. :D

iceman49

08-20-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1708959)

Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.

Mid May RA said "don't be surprised if the WB order is much larger than previously announced" a mix of 350/33N/773/789

iceman49

08-20-2014 10:09 AM

Interesting FDX and UPS is supporting NAI:rolleyes:

Carl Spackler

08-20-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1708977)

It's not that they don't want it, they are just wise enough to know that it isn't attainable. Put your emotion aside and you may come to realize why.

I'm not the one bolding in giant font there emotional boy.

A majority of our reps don't want restoration because management doesn't want restoration. Since our reps prefer a partnership and cooperation, they're simply agreeing with management's vision.

Carl

tsquare

08-20-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1708953)

This isn't a north versus south thing tsquare. It's a simple case of the majority of our current reps do NOT want pay restoration. They prefer partnership and cooperation.

I never said it was a north south thing, oh great one. YOU made that ASSumption. I said that there had been a big change in representation since the merger. But if you insist on that, it would appear that the former north pilots now in those positions are just as of "corruptable" (quote mine for emphasis) character as to fall into the same mold. So again I ask you, what makes your doughnuts any better?

SSDD with you.

And I prefer partnership and cooperation. It nets way more in my bank account than bloviation idiotic tactics.

sailingfun

08-20-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1708975)

No it's not sailingfun. The most important thing in business is your ability to get a revenue premium over your competitors. Apple is a huge success not because of a competitive cost advantage.

Carl

Apple does not selling what is essentially a perishable commodity. Airlines do. It's possible in this industry to generate a very small revenue premium with a large network and superior service. Take a look at the 2013 airline data and you will see how narrow a range that is for the major US airlines.

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