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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1721749)
You want to provide input? What for? Richard and Ed already briefed us.
The deal is done. Shut up and color. "When we want your opinion, we'll give it to you!" :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1721742)
I guess all that crap about huge retirements is a bunch of hooey then.
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1721759)
Sorry, which crap? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1721739)
Carry on, Sir!! The more they hear from us, the better informed a decision they will be able to make. My reps say they are very concerned about the seniority aspect, but needed to consider as well the benefits to the 747 Captains that will not be displaced as a result of the ER.
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Originally Posted by dalad
(Post 1721765)
There are 26 DTW 744 A's retiring in the next two years and over 300 pilots total. This makes no sense at all.
I'm all for getting senior guys to retire, but in the big picture there's got to be something else driving this. |
So when we park the 757s, I can hardly wait for the targeted retirement proposal that will come out to the 757 community to prevent stagnation and displacements to the 737/320/-88/717 guys.....
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Originally Posted by dalad
(Post 1721765)
There are 26 DTW 744 A's retiring in the next two years and over 300 pilots total. This makes no sense at all.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program. ALPA would have preferred pure seniority. Delta's solution makes no political sense for us. ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them. Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer. Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1721777)
You've just proven the point. If the ER was not targeted, they'd likely have to hand out 300 severance packages to get the 25 744 A's they're trying to get. That makes zero sense.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program. ALPA would have preferred pure seniority. Delta's solution makes no political sense for us. ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them. Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer. Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1721764)
I keep hearing that we are going to be having a bunch of retirements coming up, yet this solves a problem that is supposedly manifest in displacements and stagnation.. 50 guys... stagnation? big retirements? The math don't work.
No idea how long that would have been, but I can't imagine it would have been more than a year, depending on the age of the pilots who wind up taking the early out (assuming the MEC ratifies the LOA). |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1721777)
You've just proven the point. If the ER was not targeted, they'd likely have to hand out 300 severance packages to get the 25 744 A's they're trying to get. That makes zero sense.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program. ALPA would have preferred pure seniority. Delta's solution makes no political sense for us. ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them. Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer. Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal. You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. The guys that make out here are the guys at the bottom of the whale list. They keep getting super duper uber premium pay when by all rights they cannot hold it. Getting the top of the list to leave only prevents the bottom from being displaced into lower paying equipment. This is not, and never was our problem, and it gets solved by offering gold to them that already have the most of it. I hope when I retire they offer me something like this, but I won't hold my breath. |
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