Ask your reps. A majority of them voted last month to keep it this way.

"force this on us"?? Aren't you being a bit over dramatic there, check?

What would you suggest we get in return for this leverage we allegedly had?

Not sure I quite agree there, SF. In LOA 46, we gave up massive work rules, including the cap, pickup limits, vacation as pay, no credit, reroute any time the Company feels like it, expanded 23 K recovery, OE recovery for FOs, etc.

Regarding rigs, we traded the 5:00 VM (essentially a 4-hour min duty period) for a 5:15 DPA (essentially a 2-hour min duty period), and provided that additional credit such as 1 for 2 would be washed out in the final rotation pay calculation.

In all, the 32.5% pay cut we took comprised only about 2/3 of the total concession. I do agree that many of these work rules have been significantly improved since.

I figured I would get at least one obnoxious response. But to make it known, I want to work very much for Delta. I would not have left active duty otherwise. I have military reserve obligations. I was curious, as I would think anybody that worked for two competing jobs, how one would affect the other. So I asked the question to a group of people with a lot more experience than I have to see if I understood the rules. Thanks.

Not only do we surrender leverage, but "our" union subverted seniority...blatantly.

At the end of the day, an ER program IS a net positive for all of us junior to who leaves. So, I'm still in ponder mode as to whether I care.

No leverage is necessary, as this is not a leverageable issue. I can't reconcile just who we are trying to protect here. It is a pretty senor airplane. Not as "old" as the 777, but old nonetheless. 4 are leaving, and that is all that has been officially announced. Let's say that's 50 displacements for discussion. The bottom 25 cannot hold the 777, and are probably not 63, so they ain't leaving. They will displace anyway. OR... you get 25 other guys with retirement packages firmly in hand to walk away. The 25 are saved and get to go on flying for NWA for a few more years. Then the next batch comes along. What then? Oh... but the fences will be down by then....

What if they displace? So what. The 747s are not going away tomorrow, so when the ones that remain DO retire, they will probably be able to go back.... or not, because the fences will be down by then and they are likely not senior enough to hold it. Hmmmmmm.

If this skips seniority, it is flat out wrong.

This whole thing REEKS of a GASSS KLOWD. :D

Flying NRT as a turn would be nice.:D

Agreed. I think a lot of guys I have talked to about this is that they feel it is another golden deal for a golden group of guys, and they are tired of it, and would rather suffer the consequences of not giving them yet another golden deal.

Milky,
His response isn't obnoxious.

As a long time reservist (retired), I will tell you flat out that DAL is your only concern during probation. The reserves are your hobby.

If they don't even show it to us before they pass it then I would say "force this on us" is pretty accurate.

It really bothers me when they do these things in secret. I think it shows contempt for the line pilots.
There is no reason this couldn't be an open process. There's no confidential info involved.

As far as the leverage -- I don't know what we should get because I don't have the cost figures. ALPA presumably does. I have lots of suggestions. Instead of paying all the money to 25 of the most senior captains why don't we give a little to everyone. Make vacation pay 3:30. Bump international override by a few cents. etc. etc. Take your pick.