Read the post. The resolution would have allowed the line pilots to see the actual LOA for 7 days as well.

This early out LOA is being withheld from the line pilots. Just bullet points. No actual language.

Things that make me scratch my head and say...

WHY? :rolleyes:

Yes, I was on probation for 4 years. Work for who you need to work for. As long as you get consolidated the company wont say a thing.

Where are people seeing the ER LOA bullet points?

I actually agree with you on most of those items however they were not really a result of the 1113 process. The last time we had the hard limit at 75 hours was in the early nineties. We have been able to sell vacation in one form or another since 96.
Swaps should have the same restrictions as WS's and both vacation and training should be pay and credit. We could always pick up above the cap however when it was hard the overage went into bow wave or bank.
ALV15 was part of a overall package. I suspect the company would give it back to us in a heartbeat if we gave it back the traded items.
The point is most of this was not chapter 11 related. We kept every duty rig and most work rules in that process unlike many airlines like USAIR.

Exactly. The participation = leverage at the table is nonsense. What they really mean is we can marginalize the results and negotiate for what they think the silent majority want. Funny thing is they (the NC) have to follow the direction of the majority of the MEC status Reps regardless. So they will negotiate as directed less because of survey data participation ? Poor argument. The leverage is that good data will give the Reps unambiguous data for the purpose of directing the NC.

Agreed.

Out of seniority retirements F.
Not letting the members of the union see the LOA language. Double F minus.

Start early retirement offer with pilot #1 and go down the list offering it to everyone until you get your 25 desired 74A.

As to the second bullet, we have been burnt 1000 times on language loopholes. The membership MUST see the LOAs and in my opinion, vote on them too. I have seen the performance of alpas best legal team, and we have thousands of pilots that can read and are smarter than them.

Nothing to see here, just another straw on alpas back. Eventually that back will break.

Sailing, I acknowledge none of this was the result of bankruptcy. But each work rule concession was theoretically offset with a pay increase -- and that was wiped out during the bankruptcy era.

I'm also quite sure the hard cap remained until the early 2000's. It may have been higher than 75, but it was still in the PWA. I know that, because I was an MD11 F/O, and the only way to increase pay was to buy extra vacation days, then bid around them.

Flamer, while I agree in theory, there's no way the company would ever have done that, considering our current overall manning shortage, and the current pilot demographics. They would end up paying severance to 5 more guys for each 1 747A; it'd be a lot cheaper to just displace, or leave the category over staffed for 18 months until 25 of these guys hit mandatory retirement.....which is what I would have preferred.

DALPA is going to force this on us.

2 reasons:
It saves money for the company.
A handful of very senior guys want to get paid but don't want to go to school.

2 very bad reasons.
Once again, we surrender leverage for zilch in return.