Has any candidate for ALPA president sent such campaign letters to all ALPA pilots in the past? I'm not suggesting this to be right or wrong, only that it seems a bit unusual, unless I've just not been paying enough attention during past presidential campaigns.

Too much time on Denny's balcony, I guess. :o

It is a race, TC's supporters demand the head of a DALPA Guy before anyone publishes the fact that the DPA simply failed to administer their web site properly and in fact, nothing happened other than he DPA gave someone else the keys to their car and the someone else thought it would be funny to move it to another spot.

Meanwhile, our scope still isn't being complied with.

I give nearly zero ducks what happened to the DPA stupid web site. I care that we're not staffing 15 transatlantic flights per day on widebody equipment. I support those working to improve our contract.

I think it's quite clear that removing DPA folks from ALPA membership has always been your goal Bar. So go right ahead and put forth such a resolution. If it passes, I won't pay a dime of dues to ALPA. Neither will the other 5,000 DPA guys. We'll all call your bluff to see if you'll push the company to terminate all of us.

When the company does not pursue termination, I'll look for the letter from ALPA urging us to rejoin ALPA for the sake of unity. Maybe they can get you to write the letter.

Look forward to your resolution Bar.

Carl

Which is entirely due to the actions of ALPA which you support with question or fault.

You only care to the extent that ALPA can never be criticized for any part of this scope non-compliance.

And that means you support (without question) the very entity that is allowing more of our jobs to be sold. You don't like jobs being sold...you just like lock-step support of ALPA more.

Carl

You are right, I went back and reread the material, and that comparison was only in the Contract History and not the Comparison.

Cheese and Rice! :mad:

When's the damn vote? Let's get this behind us already!

Except it doesn't seem like that's what they're doing.
Most of their focus appears to be directed toward holding onto power and maintaining their "engagement" with management.
As far as representing line pilots, ALPA is thoroughly dysfunctional.

It is behind us. There won't be a vote prior to C2015 and maybe never.

We're all focused on C2015 with ALPA being our bargaining agent. I have to throw my full support behind an organization whose president has clearly stated we will not be a problem for management and reps who have thus far said nothing to counter it. That's our reality.

Carl

+1 ..............

Carl,

Please re-read my post and be honest. I wrote, "when they step over the line of seeking to harm ALPA and harm other ALPA members, then we have a duty to protect our association and members."

The average frustrated ALPA member who sends in a card to "send a message" might be more emotional than rational, but they are far from intending harm. There is a clear distinction between such a malcontent and someone who files a lawsuit against other Delta pilot(s), or who leads a decertification effort during contract negotiations.

The way our union is structured and the legal environment it exists in make it very difficult for the union to avoid being exposed when a member purposely throws himself or another member under the bus with the intent of triggering a DFR claim. It is against ALPA's very inclusive nature to expel a member, but if the member is trying to kill the union and all attempts at reconciliation fail, then what would you suggest?

If the DPA has no hope of a vote, then they need to try to channel their efforts in some positive direction ... or cease existence. Using donations to sue Delta pilots is, IMHO an abuse of the money and support they have been given.

The DPA leader has spoken to the web site guy several times and should be able to easily figure out who owned the other domain. How does the DPA not know who was involved? ... and if so, why are they stringing their members along?

If you were honest with yourself and your readers, you would recall that I am always asking DPA members to get involved in the process, participate and bring forward their political agenda. We need energetic people who seek improvement in our working conditions. ALPA always needs volunteers and people to serve.

If the DPA doesn't like Capt. (insert imagined villain of the day) then your chances are much better of voting him out of office than making up false allegations and pursuing legal claims which have no basis in fact. I'm not excluding the average DPA member, but rather explaining how to actually be effective.