I can't overcome Moak's outrageous comments until he goes back on the record with the Bloomberg guy to clean up the mess. If he truly was "misrepresented" then he ought to be doing everything he can to get the "real" version out there. Is he doing that?

Or at the very least, send out a letter to all of us apologizing for his catastrophic blunder....

Thanks--PM sent, but based on follow on answers I think I'm covered and I just need to monitor my time card over the next month. Shows "Shadow" in the reason report next to both the awarded trips (the first 4-day and the second 4-day that starts on the last day of the 5-day Shadow period).
GG

I have the luxury of speaking honestly about all topics. I do just that. If you were being honest, you would also recall that you've called us every kind of name and accused us of everything evil.

Do what you want Bar, but you're a terrible spokesperson for unity and reconciliation. You're good with other topics, but a huge fail on this one.

Carl

Moak's comments would certainly be referenced by the NMB should we get that far.

They would work heavily against us at that stage.

Good to know--thanks. This saves me from putting in a blind WS for some time on days I'd rather leave open.

Thanks, Alan. Will keep that lesson in mind.

Exactly right. If he was misrepresented by the article, one would think he would be pulling out all the stops to correct the record. Those quotes were highly damaging. The fact that Moak claims to have been misquoted demonstrates that he now at least somewhat acknowledges the problem with the quotes.

Here's the part that troubles me the most about the whole thing. I agree that Moak doesn't negotiate for us. I think those quotes, coming from the ALPA President, are extremely hurtful to our effort... but it's not as direct an impact as if our reps and negotiators believed and said the same thing.

So... with that in mind... I wrote my reps last week as soon as I read the Bloomberg story. I gave them my input that I think Moak should be recalled ASAP. Whether he is directly representing us or negotiating for us is irrelevant. He's out there saying things that are damaging to our effort to restore our profession and our careers. AND with C2015 right around the corner!

Do you think my reps made the argument that Moak didn't really say or mean those things? Heck no! Their argument was that there is nothing wrong with what he said! :eek: That's MY REPS... the guys who are directly representing me... saying THEY AGREE with what he said and they think it was smart. All I can say is wow. :( Unbelievably disappointing. No... strike that. Completely believably disappointing.

Ladies and gentlemen.... What you see is what you get. What Moak said in that Bloomberg article is basically what I predict you will see from DALPA in 2015. It's consistent with his past actions and messages. It's consistent with the philosophy of the majority of our MEC over the past decade and currently.

That's meaningless Clamp. Mr. Moak is on record as having said what he said. If he was misquoted, it's incumbent upon him to correct the record. Not by responding to people who happen to call him, but to all ALPA members. He has yet to do that. Very troubling. Changing the mind of Erdude32 ain't gonna cut it. Unless of course he meant exactly what he said.

Carl

It's certainly not meaningless- saying that is hyperbole. I believe it to be significant that his mind was changed like that. You know as well as I do how horrible and agenda driven reporters can be, and pulling a couple snippets out of a 45 minute conversation can be colored a wide range of ways.

You know how much I dislike Moak, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong when I was wrong.

I do. And you know why? Because it's true!

And here's one more truism for you. ALPA insiders are concerned about one thing and one thing only, keeping their place at the FPL feed trough.

Carry on soldier. Say, you wouldn't happen to be on FPL would you?

It's not the least bit of hyperbole Clamp and you know it. If Moak didn't mean what was attributed to him by Bloomberg, then let him change ALL of our minds with the same explanation he gave Erdude32. You can't possibly be saying that you're OK with what Moak said now that a Facebook friend tells you what Moak said.

Carl