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index 08-17-2014 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1707225)
And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?

Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1707233)
How does that matter, if the guy (gal, or it) was acting completely on their own?

You can't be serious Bar. There is a HUGE difference if this was done by someone high up at the ALPA trough. It makes all the difference in the world.

If it turns out to be just joe pilot, that's one thing, if it turns out to be an administration official, a rep, a committee member, a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY.

There is no "acting completely on your own" at that level. It's an institutional problem at that point. ALPA acts through its officials and appointees.

index 08-17-2014 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1707164)
So you buy the "accidental mixing of web traffic" defense?

People going to the DPA website got randomly directed to a Delta pilot's website that just happened to have anti-DPA propaganda on it?

C'mon man.

If ALPA had nothing to do with this, they should say so.
But don't insult our intelligence. Telling a lie about how it happened makes their denial of involvement look like a lie also.


Well said Essential. You really have to jump through quite a few hoops to believe the "explanation" that's been put out.

In fact, believing the tale that's been told requires a lot of faith, while ignoring a lot of facts that just don't make any sense whatsoever.

index 08-17-2014 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1707205)
Our union has lawyers who will protect a pilot from the company. Do those lawyers also protect a pilot from federal prosecution?


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1707219)
Yes if it is directly related to his employment. That's irrelevant in this case. They were hit with a subpoena.

Can you give some example of federal offenses that a pilot could commit that were "directly related to his employment"? Certainly there are drug/alcohol offenses that may fit into that category, but do you think hacking a fellow pilot's website has ANYTHING TO DO with the purported offender's services to his/her employer?

Hillbilly 08-17-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1707225)
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your honesty.

You said that the letter is scripted and used an odd choice of words. I agree.

Would it matter to you if those "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" actually WERE the anti-DPA information that was published on DPA's website?

And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?

Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?


1. I'd be surprised if they weren't anti-DPA writings. The content doesn't change whether there was criminal hacking or not.

2. Insider or not, if there was criminal hacking they were wrong to do that. If there wasn't criminal hacking it is irrelevant.

3. No.


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index 08-17-2014 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1707256)
1. I'd be surprised if they weren't anti-DPA writings. The content doesn't change whether there was criminal hacking or not.

If you recall, Mr. Private Writings never admitted that his "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" WERE the actual Anti-DPA rhetoric that mysteriously and coincidentally ended up on the DPA website. Why is that? Why the cryptic "explanation"? It's because the truth would've sounded really bad. I think you're right though, the "private writings" were the anti-DPA rant.

If this indeed was the content, then I believe that fact would be very relevant as to intent.


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1707256)
2. Insider or not, if there was criminal hacking they were wrong to do that. If there wasn't criminal hacking it is irrelevant.

What potentially makes this a big deal is if this was done by an ALPA insider, i.e. an elected or appointed official. Big difference if it was just a disgruntled line pilot versus a union "leader." And the fact that ALPA attorneys have worked so hard to prevent his identity from being known says to me that it IS a high level ALPA operative. Time will tell.

gzsg 08-17-2014 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1707225)
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your honesty.

You said that the letter is scripted and used an odd choice of words. I agree.

Would it matter to you if those "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" actually WERE the anti-DPA information that was published on DPA's website?

And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?

Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?

Your comments are a replay of why O. J. Simpson was supposedly innocent.

Stop with your complete disregard for the truth.

This pilot hacked the DPA website and posted negative communication.

He got caught immediately.

He called Tim Caplinger 3 separate times and offered him money to let it go.

Tim asked him to simply admit in writing what he did and who helped him and he would forgive and forget.

The pilot refused. Why? IMO it was because it would have made DALPA look bad, but that is only my opinion.

Honor is something no man can give you and something no man can take away.

Defending this action and pretending it was an accident is dishonorable and disgusting. You insult all of us with your comments.

THE GLOVE DOESN'T FIT!!!!!!!

Jerry

Check Essential 08-17-2014 02:14 PM

The whole key to this kerfuffle is the identity of the hacker.

Is he now or has he ever been a "DALPA guy"?

If the answer is yes --- heads need to roll.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1707270)
This pilot hacked the DPA website and posted negative communication.

He got caught immediately.

He called Tim Caplinger 3 separate times and offered him money to let it go.

Tim asked him to simply admit in writing what he did and who helped him and he would forgive and forget.

The pilot refused.

May one ask why TC has yet to release the evidence of hacking requested by the judge in his lawsuit?

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1707200)
3bil,

O.J. said he was innocent. What's your point?

His point (and mine) was to answer Check Essential, who stated that, if ALPA had nothing to do with this, they should say so.

Please try to keep up.

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1707172)
By putting a number now on 2015 profit sharing they are treating it as a known quantity.

I respectfully disagree. By stating that the profit sharing for 2014 and 2015 are not yet known, and by adding a footnote to the 10% stating that it is an estimate, they are treating it as a conservative guess as to what may happen.

The reader (me, in this case) was left to draw his own conclusions as to the likelihood of the estimate and the desirability of placing this amount of my compensation at risk. Hopefully, the survey will give me an opportunity to express my views on that subject. If not, I will let my rep know how I feel on the subject.


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1707172)
All I am saying is that we should be comparing apples to apples with the contracts of our peers. I think we should be looking at each part of what makes up our w2 earnings and QOL as it compares to our peers, hourly rates, work rules, retirement, medical, and other bonuses. I felt that the last section of the contract comparison used profit shareing to inflate our book rates without giving the same treatment to the rates of our peer.

Agreed. Keep in mind that the document we've been discussing is the Contract History, which showed the history (duh) of our two airline pilot contracts over the past 20 years or so. I recently received the Contract Comparison (I assume we all did) that provides the comparison with our peers.


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