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Denny Crane 08-21-2014 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1709498)
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and *** the prom queen.

As a supporter (or former supporter) of DPA, do you really want to use this analogy!?!:)

Sorry, that was just to good to pass up!:)

Denny

Big E 757 08-21-2014 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1709493)
One of these days, me and Timbo are going to get to do a ferry flight of an empty LR...it'll make the 787-9 takeoff angle look lame. We will also make the first turnoff in ATL when we land.:D

Do they still allow non-revs on ferry flights? I'd like to be on that flight.

Carl Spackler 08-21-2014 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1709332)
What the East has created is a temporary fence. Right now it is working in their favor, you are correct. The problem with fences is that they all end. For instance, in the Northwest/Republic (Red Book/Green Book) merger, they had fences that lasted 18 years.

Interesting that alfaromeo loves to accuse me of telling whoppers.

The fences were 20 years, not 18.


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1709332)
When the fences were ready to expire, the Red Book team tried desperately to extend them.

I recall no such effort to extend the fences beyond 20 years. If there were, I never heard of it and will gladly apologize upon the showing of proof.


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1709332)
They had already negotiated LIFETIME reinstatement rights so that anyone displaced from the whales (red book) would have priority over other pilots (green book) for eternity.

There were no such lifetime protections for either pilot group...since the 20 year fences applied to both pilot groups.


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1709332)
They also filed a last ditch arbitration to extend the fence that was rejected out of hand.

Again, I recall no such arbitration to extend fences beyond 20 years. But will gladly apologize upon showing of proof.


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1709332)
When the DAL/NWA merger occurred, the lifetime reinstatement rights fell by the wayside and when the 744 staffing was expanded and the 747 freighters were displaced, the green book guys moved into the whale in large numbers. In the top 1/3 of the whale captains there are only 12 red book guys remaining. In fact, if you trace the militancy of Carl back in time, you can find how unhinged he got right around the time the green book guys took over the top half of the whale captain category list.

The green guys started occupying the top of the whale list well before the fences came down because the fences only applied to our original whales, not post merger whales. Since our merger went straight date of hire, they rightly occupied the top of the list...before the fences came down.

The fences came down in 2006 and I didn't join APC until 2008. How could you have tracked my "militancy" before I got here?

Carl

EdGrimley 08-21-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1709354)
I do know this. Apparently there was a recent SEC filing.

Delta just used there last carry forward loss from BK to off set taxes.

Uncle Sam is going to be standing in line for his share of the profits from here on out.

This may be true but also remember DAL has greatly reduced and continues to reduce net debt and halved their interest payments while refinancing remaining debt at lower interest rates. This will greatly offset the tax liability as it comes due.

Also, keep in mind, DAL has been throwing money at special projects the last several years post BK including airport facility improvements, aircraft refurb/lie flat seats, customer service training, etc. adding up to billions of dollars. As those projects wind down there will be even more money available to offset tax liab.

Now if Delta would "refurbish" it's pilots pay, giving a nod to the role pilots have played in the recovery and going forward....instead of stock buy backs and dividends, we might be getting somewhere.

TheManager 08-21-2014 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1709540)
Herk, what or who is the typical Delta pilot? Thx

Oh! I know, I know!

Anyone on who lives in the 30269?

Or, how about the seven-oh?

:D

DogWhisperer 08-21-2014 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1709404)
Okay, think about this, we get the A346s and remove two engines... Boom. Money saved.

Great article in Aviation Week awhile back concerning the new engine maintenance program that Airbus has been able to squeeze out of the engine supplier for the A 340-600. According to them, the cost for four engines has been brought in line with those of the twin engine wide body variety. If'n so...it could be a major factor in keeping the rumor alive.

TheManager 08-21-2014 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1709561)
This may be true but also remember DAL has greatly reduced and continues to reduce net debt and halved their interest payments while refinancing remaining debt at lower interest rates. This will greatly offset the tax liability as it comes due.

Also, keep in mind, DAL has been throwing money at special projects the last several years post BK including airport facility improvements, aircraft refurb/lie flat seats, customer service training, etc. adding up to billions of dollars. As those projects wind down there will be even more money available to offset tax liab.

Now if Delta would "refurbish" it's pilots pay, giving a nod to the role pilots have played in the recovery and going forward....instead of stock buy backs and dividends, we might be getting somewhere.

And how! Plus one.

EdGrimley 08-21-2014 08:17 AM

5 Things Delta Air Lines, Inc.'s Management Wants You to Know (DAL)

Smokey23 08-21-2014 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1709486)
That is a fine looking machine. It still looks a little dumpy, I think because it sits so low.

After all the years of flying the 75/76 with a full load of pax, watching them yank and bank that thing made me a little uneasy.

What...no scimitars? Come on guys, get with the program! :D

DogWhisperer 08-21-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1709567)
Great article in Aviation Week awhile back concerning the new engine maintenance program that Airbus has been able to squeeze out of the engine supplier for the A 340-600. According to them, the cost for four engines has been brought in line with those of the twin engine wide body variety. If'n so...it could be a major factor in keeping the rumor alive.

Here's another article that outlines some of the facts concerning the engine deal...as well as A340-600 future...

Airbus, engine OEMs make the case for A340 future | Leeham News and Comment


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