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disposted........ not worth it.

So, when is the next AE coming out???

T,

I agree initial response was to dispel hyperbole but then further posts seemed more to discuss possible merits. Maybe I misinterpreted the flavor of the message.

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Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1675251)

So, when is the next AE coming out???

Heard first half of July sometime.

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1675239)

however why are we going down this road? There has been no contract survey to judge pilot sentiment on this, the Reps have not given direction to pursue this.
Where and from whom does this originate? Obviously this is someone's idea for an early negotiating opportunity to solve the companies problems and exchange productivity for pay/TVM. The yang to this is the company caused this themselves in large part and why are we rushing in to fix something they have not asked for (?).

For discussion let's even say its a significant net positive above the productivity traded for a "bigger piece of the pie", productivity still means we work more/harder with less pilots. Maybe that's not what this pilot group wants.

Maybe they would prefer QOL with the ability to have more flexibility. We don't know yet. It seems putting the cart way before the horse, and managing the discussion and context ahead of any official setting of negotiating priorities. It might even be a valid discussion to have, but I'm missing the bottom up part.

Excellent points.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1675140)

My guess is the daily average is in the 100-150 pilot range.

For the sake of discussion, let's use 150.
Let's estimate that we would save 1/3 of training by going to pay banding.

Attack away, but at least attack with facts not wild hyperbole.

Funny how "Guess" "Sake of discussion" and "estimate" quickly go to "facts"

The problem was we put what we wanted in the survey in terms of pay raises, we had Alpa make their own determination what we could get. I worry the same thing will happen. we want thirty percent they will say we can only get ten. If we want thirty they have to get thirty that is the mandate.

I don't believe alpa sees the same thing we see, in terms of the strength of the industry. They still seem wedded to pattern b bargaining, well we can't do that if we are the leading transport company in the world and we are comparing ourselves to merely airlines.

I'm afraid it doesn't matter one iota what we put in the survey. DALPA won't release the results, and can claim the "Survey said" pretty much anything it wants--which is guaranteed to be something far easier to attain than what the survey actually said.

Did anyone really put "4833, 717s, and concessions" in the last survey? I bet the most conservative answer in the group didn't remotely approach what we ended up with.

Accountability? Nah. Face it: we have a "union" that will do whatever it can to save the time, effort, and money required for a hard-fought Section 6 process. Better to save a ton on a drawn-out process and spend relatively little to sell the crap out of whatever they could get on the company's timeline. The entrenched bureaucrats have too much at stake to rock the boat.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1674372)

All cynicism aside, my question is how insurance after retirement works. I have no idea, and that is really the last piece of the puzzle I need. I got my LTC policy, and some good term policies, but if I go early, how does health insurance work? If anything keeps me here until 65 it will be that.

For DPMP, if you retire before 60, you pay 100% of the premiums. After 60, you pay 51% of the premiums. No change at 65. I don't think you can elect any coverage after you reach Medicare eligibility age.