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Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1804819)
Short answer: REDUCED MANNING!!!
Longer answer: Pilot Greed, guys desiring to score flying out of a base they are not willing to bid, results absolutely without question in reduced manning requirements. Summary: Anyone who desires to be able to fly out of base swaps/pickups/slips is a greedy SOB who puts their wallet above the seniority list and manning levels of the pilot group. And should be beaten about the head and shoulders with a herring if not worse. BROTHER MAYNARD: Armaments, chapter two, verses nine to twenty-one. SECOND BROTHER: And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu-- MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother. SECOND BROTHER: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." MAYNARD: Amen. KNIGHTS: Amen. ARTHUR: Right! One!... Two!... Five! GALAHAD: Three, sir! ARTHUR: Three! ------ 35th Codicil of the Latest & Greatest thread is to let no Monty Python reference go unrecognized and unrequited. Brothers, I forgive your sins against Roadkill. Go forth and sin no more. |
Originally Posted by Razor
(Post 1805095)
What's the current mess with TOE trips?
It's legal but I would not call it ethical. Easy fix would be the senior original line holder on the trip stays home unless both guys dropped it. There are some very ****ed off FO's over this issue! |
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1803483)
NYC 7ER A went to 81XX, and I'm curious how a guy got out of his NYC 717 A seatlock to bid SLC 73NB
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1803487)
Not trained yet perhaps?
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1803499)
Maybe but the seatlock starts with the release of the awards and with the training pipeline full that is the reason we have been getting memo's from SD about bidding what you want and wanting what you bid. By letting him/her out of a slot it could have changed the outcome of a previous bid for someone else, like me, that had qualifiers in for that category.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1805136)
Senior FO's watch for TOE trips. The day prior to the trip they call the junior FO and swap their better trip with him. At 7 pm that night they are now the senior FO and stay home. The original senior FO now flies a trip he thought he would be home for. There are a few guys who do this all month long. One FO I know lost staying home on two trips in a row to the same guy.
It's legal but I would not call it ethical. Easy fix would be the senior original line holder on the trip stays home unless both guys dropped it. There are some very ****ed off FO's over this issue! We should have a down vote and up vote to posts. Because the behavior described here deserves a down vote. http://img.pandawhale.com/48738-Bunk...e-gif-oNxc.gif But SF, why did that FO allow that guy to do that to him twice?? |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1805148)
We should have a down vote and up vote to posts.
Because the behavior described here deserves a down vote. http://img.pandawhale.com/48738-Bunk...e-gif-oNxc.gif But SF, why did that FO allow that guy to do that to him twice?? |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1805157)
What choice does he have? The senior original FO on the trip is not involved in the swaps.
No down vote then, somebody can get some glue and put that F-15 back together. I guess the only proper response is you'll be senior one day, no? Isn't that how it works? I get its not nice to do though, it won't be fun when your next trip you're with the guy you jumped and he is ****ed at you. Do unto others... I've been lucky and seem to average one buy off a trip per month but I also don't bid lca. I've seen that backfire when you get a crappy trip on the PBS award and think there's a lca so you're good only to have the lca swap out. I've also seen the pilot getting oe get taken off the trip. It's a bonus when it happens but otherwise its a trip. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1805188)
No down vote then, somebody can get some glue and put that F-15 back together.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1805157)
What choice does he have? The senior original FO on the trip is not involved in the swaps.
BTW => roadkill is right. Out of base swaps and pick-ups are a horrible idea. It would be a massive job killer and besides, I want to be awarded trips based on seniority, not on who is my Facebook friend. |
Originally Posted by Hillbilly
(Post 1805146)
Not sure if this would apply to the specific pilot in question, but I can think of a scenario that would make this legit. If the pilot was mandatory displaced to ATL 717 A (from ATL DC9 A for example), he/she would not have incurred a category freeze because of the mandatory displacement. When NYC 717 A opened, the pilot bid and got that award and is still not under a category freeze since the bid required no training and was only a change of base. Now the pilot is free to bid anything he/she wants on any bid, including SLC 73N B.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1805188)
Oh okay I get it now.
No down vote then, somebody can get some glue and put that F-15 back together. I guess the only proper response is you'll be senior one day, no? Isn't that how it works? I get its not nice to do though, it won't be fun when you're next trip you're with the guy you jumped and he is ****ed at you. Do unto others... I've been lucky and seem to average one buy off a trip per month but I also don't bid lca. I've seen that backfire when you get a crappy trip on the PBS award and think there's a lca so you're good only to have the lca swap out. I've also seen the pilot getting oe get taken off the trip. It's a bonus when it happens but otherwise its a trip. I think the real beef here is the original senior FO already is kind of senior. The ultra senior FO who is snatching the trip could make this same deal with the guy who is already senior so at least he'd get a good trip out of it, but instead is going to the JR. guy who was going to fly anyway. Now the original senior FO is still flying the original trip, the original junior FO is off on a more desirable trip, and the ultra senior sniper FO is chilling at home. I can see how the guy who thought he was getting the week off might be a little bugged by this situation. |
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