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gloopy 01-16-2015 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1805136)
Senior FO's watch for TOE trips. The day prior to the trip they call the junior FO on a TOE trip and swap their better trip with him. At 7 pm that night they are now the senior FO and stay home. The original senior FO now flies a trip he thought he would be home for. There are a few guys who do this all month long. One FO I know lost staying home on two trips in a row to the same guy.
It's legal but I would not call it ethical. Easy fix would be the senior original line holder on the trip stays home unless both guys dropped it.
There are some very ****ed off FO's over this issue!

That seems like a fair fix that would be very easy and basically free to implement.

duece12345 01-16-2015 08:19 AM

Userra ?
 
I had to drop a few trips post bid for MLOA. On my 31 Dec 14 check it says $35 for USERRA. I know this is for the DC plan for the days I used mil on, but I belive it should be greater than that. Is it calculated/paid quarterly or something?

Smokey23 01-16-2015 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1804979)
2. At some point the trip goes up for GS coverage and someone IN BASE gets the chance to make more $$. No matter WHERE or HOW it is done, allowing ANOTHER group of pilots to offer to fly that trip, which the company currently does not have the ability to access or with reduced restrictions (!), will reduce the pressure on the company in that base for coverage and will reduce the number of trips put out for GS. The END EFFECT is to reduce the number of pilots needed to fly the entire Delta schedule. All of that is negative.

If you want to fly trips out of a base, bid the base. Or bid OOB White Slips like Dalad does above, which are already in the coverage matrix.

When someone at that base doesn't want to fly a trip and puts it on the swap board--it's THOSE GUY's TRIP, Guys at THAT BASE. To take or to let fall into the coverage ladder, and maybe go to GS IN THAT BASE. I can just imagine the bidding cabals that would emerge if we were foolish enough to ever let this camel get it's nose in the tent...

SWA guy here....so take all the following FWIW:

It's your airline, your contract, and your collective mindset, so ultimately do what you believe to be in your own collective best interest. Having said that, you should talk-up the next SWA pilot you meet (or know) because we are living the "bidding cabal" you fear. On balance, I think most of our pilots appreciate the flexibility of picking up trips in other bases. If a pilot posts a trip on our give-away board, it goes to the first-comer...regardless of domicile. The pilot trying to get rid of his trip really doesn't care who takes it....he just wants it gone. Common sense and seems to work well. For all company open time, in-domicile pilots have priority over all out-of-domicile pilots, regardless of system seniority. Common-sense and seems to work well. The only thing these rules do not promote is more bodies on the seniority list, but then our dogma has always been running lean and striving for more productive trips, not less (though if you really want an unproductive trip, there are no shortage of pilots willing to trade with you :)).

We've run our own experiments with adding more restrictions to open time awards, trip trading, etc....but I think the emerging consensus for us is that more restrictions on what we can do (kind of like more gov't regulations) in the aggregate penalizes us as a whole more than it protects us. YMMV.

Scoop 01-16-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1805226)
LOL!

Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da rebound on da med side.

I must also correct you one more time, the F-5 in question is a MiG-28, not a MiG-29.




Mike,

You just fell for the longest running gag on this thread.

Scoop

flyallnite 01-16-2015 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Smokey23 (Post 1805289)
SWA guy here....so take all the following FWIW:

It's your airline, your contract, and your collective mindset, so ultimately do what you believe to be in your own collective best interest. Having said that, you should talk-up the next SWA pilot you meet (or know) because we are living the "bidding cabal" you fear. On balance, I think most of our pilots appreciate the flexibility of picking up trips in other bases. If a pilot posts a trip on our give-away board, it goes to the first-comer...regardless of domicile. The pilot trying to get rid of his trip really doesn't care who takes it....he just wants it gone. Common sense and seems to work well. For all company open time, in-domicile pilots have priority over all out-of-domicile pilots, regardless of system seniority. Common-sense and seems to work well. The only thing these rules do not promote is more bodies on the seniority list, but then our dogma has always been running lean and striving for more productive trips, not less (though if you really want an unproductive trip, there are no shortage of pilots willing to trade with you :)).

We've run our own experiments with adding more restrictions to open time awards, trip trading, etc....but I think the emerging consensus for us is that more restrictions on what we can do (kind of like more gov't regulations) in the aggregate penalizes us as a whole more than it protects us. YMMV.

Our two systems are vastly different. Our coverage ladder does permit out of base pick ups, straight and overtime, and there is some auditing with regards to who does what, but those go after in base reserves are used. The issue of out of base SWAPS is that in the context of our admittedly complex and not-completely-transparent system, they would provide a means to subvert seniority and normal trip coverage expectations. Could it be done? Yes, but not without huge changes to our coverage ladder and not without a comprehensive study of the impact on manning.

newKnow 01-16-2015 09:51 AM

Does anyone know the delivery schedule for the A350's and A330's that were just ordered?

sailingfun 01-16-2015 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1805350)
Does anyone know the delivery schedule for the A350's and A330's that were just ordered?

The first 350 is in mid 17. The first 330neo is in 2019. The 350's start coming right after the last 330igw arrives.
Anyone have any insight on if the company wants a common 330/350 category?

FlyingDutchman 01-16-2015 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1805350)
Does anyone know the delivery schedule for the A350's and A330's that were just ordered?

Anybody know the status of our 787 order???

TeddyKGB 01-16-2015 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1805333)
Our two systems are vastly different. Our coverage ladder does permit out of base pick ups, straight and overtime, and there is some auditing with regards to who does what, but those go after in base reserves are used. The issue of out of base SWAPS is that in the context of our admittedly complex and not-completely-transparent system, they would provide a means to subvert seniority and normal trip coverage expectations. Could it be done? Yes, but not without huge changes to our coverage ladder and not without a comprehensive study of the impact on manning.

I don't think anyone has suggested out of base "swaps". What has been discussed is the ability of a pilot to pick up a trip off of the swap board of a different base after no one in base wants it. 2 entirely different scenarios.

sailingfun 01-16-2015 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman (Post 1805369)
Anybody know the status of our 787 order???

I would say pretty much DOA. I suspect at some future date they might get swapped for 737maxes or if we're lucky some 777x's.


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