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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1677367)

Delta circa 2003-04. A lot of the NWA destinations were dropped post merger. Seems like DCI is the same number of seats now as it was years ago.

Total seats are down and total number of airframes are way down and dropping daily. As of 1 Jan 14 we had 268 total 70 and 76 seaters up 13 from the pre contract number of 255.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1677330)

I listed some of the gains, I left out a bunch of others like vacation increase and increased reserve guarantee. Besides the profit sharing all other concessions had to do with head count. If you increase pay by 19.5%, how do you get to cost neutral?

See, you are wiggling and squirming. The only way to get those types of cost savings is with massive head count loss. Where does that show up? Certainly if you make these claims, you have to have something to back them up, some analysis, something other than your made up statements. Right? Can't you at least tell us five things that were concessioncs that added up to that much head count reduction? Can't you then explain how the head count reduction of about 100 before the 717's showed up (which, by the way is pretty much exactly what we predicted) does not come close to offsetting the pay increases?

Certainly you can come up with something other than personal attacks. Or can't you?

You can show Carl line after line after line of data and proof, and all he will ever do is deny and ask for some other inane detail. "Squirm" is a perfect description of what he does...

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1677354)

That's simply not true. There was very little overlap between NWA and DAL. Ergo a very successful merger. Your opinions are inaccurate. Secondly, the 76 seater numbers are far fewer currently than the number of 50 seaters were prior to our most recent contract.

And why does your CEO-ship care?

WTH are you looking at?

There was actually a lot more overlap than just identical routes. Most passengers fly through a hub (point B) to get from their origin (point A) to their destination (point C). So, although the pre-merger DAL and NWA used a different point B to carry people through, they were still in dirrect competition from points A to C. The merger synergies in many small markets have replaced 2 50 seat flights flying to 2 different hubs like MEM and ATL with only the option to use 1 hub with more frequency, or upguaged aircraft.

So for example before the merger a px in MLU wanting to go to MCO could fly DAL using the ATL hub with 3 rj flights a day, or NWA using its MEM hub with 3 rj flights a day. Neither flew from MLU to MCO, but they were in direct competition on the route. Today that same passenger can only fly DAL by going through ATL but has 4 rj flights to choose from.

With hub and spoke, the amount of overlap in the merger was far greater than it looked on the surface.

Happy 4th to all the APCers, here's hoping you're with family or at least heading to a good layover.

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1677444)

Happy 4th to all the APCers, here's hoping you're with family or at least heading to a good layover.

NOW I know how I got this Amsterdam trip.:eek:

Happy 4th to you and everyone as well.

I'm in AMS, too. I'll be downstairs at the bar. I'm the one wearing white sneakers, jeans and a polo shirt.

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1677479)

I'm in AMS, too. I'll be downstairs at the bar. I'm the one wearing white sneakers, jeans and a polo shirt.

White, pleather New Balance that you got on sale, 2 for 1?

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1677479)

I'm in AMS, too. I'll be downstairs at the bar. I'm the one wearing white sneakers, jeans and a polo shirt.

You know what a Pilot uses for birth control, right?

Layover clothes! :D

(and his personality) :eek:

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1677479)

I'm in AMS, too. I'll be downstairs at the bar. I'm the one wearing white sneakers, jeans and a polo shirt.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1677382)

I posted for Carl the total pilot cost numbers for 2012 and 13. They almost exactly match the numbers both DALPA and the company agreed on when costing the contract out. I guess Carl is saying the company and DALPA were in collusion to provide fake numbers and then got RA to cook the books to reflect those fake numbers and sign his name to it under penalty of law. I mean sure, that's what happened!

Old post
Delta pilot costs

2011-1,607,000,000

2012-1,678,000,000

2013-1,917,000,000

Source form 4 data

Total improvement since contract signed 310 million
Costed contract improvements by company and DALPA approx. 400 million.Year 14 and 15 raises just over 7 percent adding additional 70 to 80 million in end game numbers. Very close to costed numbers.
Note: not sure the exact number for each percent of raise. Thought it was 12 million but emailed by several people it's now about 16 million. That will put the end game cost of the contract over 420 million.

"There was no more on the table."

Please disregard the billions returned to the shareholders because management didn't know what to do with the money.

This alone makes all these apologies for C2012 a waste of keystrokes.

Quit perfuming the pig. We won't be fooled.again.