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You are such a lying liar. You take things out of context and when proven wrong just pretend you weren't. Sailing provided the Form 4 data that is provided from the company. That is a legal document. Did you choose to ignore it. You throw out that statements are false and made up, but offer no evidence for your position. Because you are a liar and a man of low moral standing. You bully, bloviate and mislead.

Were you, or were you not a part of the Tanksley suit?

You have proven nothing other than that you are a first class *******

Here is the Tanksley group if you have figured out who Carl is you can answer your question......

TANKSLEY, W MICHAEL
BARNARD, GORDON C
BRUTON JR, JOSEPH D
CRANE, GARY W
CUCA, ANDREW J
DANFELT, ERIC A
FILIPAS, STEPHEN M
HALL, GEORGE M
IMUS, MICHAEL S
KLINE, ROBERT J
KOHLER, JOSEPH G
MARSHALL, ROBERT K
MOKOS, ROBERT F
PHILLIPS, RAYMOND B
RILEY, WILLIAM J
SWEENEY, DAVID J
TAYLOR, RALPH C
TOMPKINS, MARK E
WELLS, JAMES O
WERNER, RUSSELL D

A lot of these guys still work for Delta, one is now a DGS instructor on the 747!

TheManager

07-10-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1681142)

I am sorry for his family's loss. I also faced a loss recently and it is very difficult to carry on. I had to make a conscious choice to get up and move on. I still have two children left and a wife and the rest of my family and I could not wallow in my self pity for my loss. Trust me it is not easy but that is what you have to do. Mr. DALM88Driver lost money, that is all. Get over it, pick yourself off and move forward. Or wallow in self pity until it drags you into a pit, I guess that is a choice also.

I went through the same strains as everyone else in bankruptcy. I know how difficult it was. In the same vein, facing deep loss gave me a greater appreciation about what is valuable and what is not. Money is just money. You can either replace it or do without it. I am sure that you feel bad about your friend, trust me I feel my loss every single day.

I am very aware of the deep loss that you experienced. In fact, I acknowledged that with condolences and offers of prayer along with many others from our community. I still wish you the best in your families healing process.

However, to frame bankruptcy in the way you did can be insensitive to some. Yes it can be viewed as a clinical and numbers exercise if done correctly in context. But to be completely condescending is another.

Bankruptcy was not insignificant to our fellow pilots family. They also suffered a deep loss which I am sure they too fell every day.

gloopy

07-10-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven (Post 1680599)

both great sports and both are football.

BTW, the largest sporting event in the world is Sunday. Can you guess what that is?

You mean the largest recreational activity that builds basic motor skills to one day play real sports is on Sunday.

Soccer is just lame. Its for trendy suburban school children that aren't coordinated enough for baseball who'se parents are too scared to let them play football.

Justdoinmyjob

07-10-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1681201)

I don't believe that for one second. You don't have the data to back that up.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1681207)

The NMB did NOT say this to you. Not in their PowerPoint, and not in their verbal statements to you. It didn't happen.

Carl

It's one thig to keep claiming that people make things up and are lying, it's another to actually prove them wrong with factual data. What proof do you have that these aren't true, other than your word?

sailingfun

07-10-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkstraight (Post 1681121)

How do 4 day trips minimize credit? All our 2 day trips have little to no credit. In other words you block 10:30 and are paid 10:30. Why are 4 day trips so important? Why not make them all 2 days if credit is the issue?

Your statement is incorrect system wide. It may be correct in your category. In general it's easier to build trips with minimum credit with longer trips. This is especially true when you have cities that require 30 hour layovers.
I suspect in your category if they did away with 4 day trips and went to all 2 day trips credit would soar. There are always shorter trips that can be built without credit. Building entire categories based on shorter trips with no credit increase is not workable.
The company has always been receptive to suggested scheduling changes even when they involve some increase in credit. That is why we have the survey out now. When you have a change however you have to show the effects. When you take concepts to reality the results rarely match what pilots believe.

Carl Spackler

07-10-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1680530)

The APA strayed outside that zone and that is what got them parked. USAPA strayed outside that zone that is what got them parked.

APA did far more than that. The NMB came in to find almost every section of the contract open. They don't do that. Their charter is to try to narrow the differences when the end game is near...not negotiate every section of the contract. Then APA was demanding 50%+ pay raises to restore them at a time when AMR was losing money and AMR's competitors were in bankruptcy. That's what APA did. I'm sure you'll agree that was a lot more than "straying outside the zone."

Regarding USAPA, being parked was precisely their strategy. If a PWA had ever been agreed to, the Nicolau SLI would have automatically been implemented.

This is why your use of these two historical events as a reason to fear the NMB is so disingenuous and damaging to Delta pilots. You're trying to get us to accept defeat before negotiations begin. You did the same thing with C2012. I just don't know why you do it.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1680530)

If you think the zone of reasonableness includes management being prohibited from achieving any of their goals, absent zero cost changes (I would love to have some examples of no cost changes to our contract, because after costing out two of them, I find everything has a value) then I think you are kidding yourself. I have never seen any negotiation where one side is barred from trying to solve at least some of their economic issues.

Agreed. "barred" is too strong a word and if I implied that, I was wrong to do so.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

07-10-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1681229)