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forgot to bid 02-03-2015 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1817628)
i think that's a "Tide Roll"!

Roll her in flower and look for the wet spot...

Gots to love a Big Girl though, keeps you warm in the winter, gives you shade in the summer, and you KNOW she swallows! :D

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...dcryingboy.gif

Herkflyr 02-03-2015 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1818117)
Right on Brother. Well, the way this game is played is they make the company a lot of money, give a lot to shareholders, pump up the stock price, and make themselves filthy rich. At some point, the music stops and the game is over. Then they take their Brinks trucks back to the ranch and what is left is a target. So in comes a corporate raider to divide and conquer, and make money on the downside or breakup or sellout, there are many ways to do it. This ride won't last forever and now is the time to make hay.

This sounds like an editorial from Mother Jones. To address...


Well, the way this game is played is they make the company a lot of money
Isn't that what management everywhere is supposed to do? If not, they get fired. Did you type that out on your iPad or MacBook Pro? If so, did you realize that Apple has $178 BILLION dollars in cash just sitting there collecting interest? I wonder how much they pay out in profit sharing? (I don't know the answer to that, by the way).


give a lot to shareholders
Uh, ALL of that money is the property of the shareholders. Good, bad, or neither, that is the way the capitalist system is set up.


pump up the stock price
The market "pumps up" or "deflates" the stock price, not management. They no more pump up the stock price than the oil companies do the price of oil. Funny how the same folks claiming the "oil companies" drove up the price of oil don't say much now that it has plummeted.


At some point, the music stops and the game is over. Then they take their Brinks trucks back to the ranch and what is left is a target. So in comes a corporate raider to divide and conquer, and make money on the downside or breakup or sellout, there are many ways to do it. This ride won't last forever and now is the time to make hay.
In a weird way I sort of agree with you here, at least the last sentence. But DAL is making a lot of money due to several factors, but the biggest in my estimation is that we have a lot of good leaders (now, not in earlier years) who know how to generate revenue, and even more importantly, how to run a stellar operation to justify that revenue to our customers. Do you think that they have devoted themselves to all that just so that they can "back up the Brinks trucks" Puh-leeze...

flyallnite 02-03-2015 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1818140)
This sounds like an editorial from Mother Jones. To address...



Isn't that what management everywhere is supposed to do? If not, they get fired. Did you type that out on your iPad or MacBook Pro? If so, did you realize that Apple has $178 BILLION dollars in cash just sitting there collecting interest? I wonder how much they pay out in profit sharing? (I don't know the answer to that, by the way).

Uh, ALL of that money is the property of the shareholders. Good, bad, or neither, that is the way the capitalist system is set up.

The market "pumps up" or "deflates" the stock price, not management. They no more pump up the stock price than the oil companies do the price of oil. Funny how the same folks claiming the "oil companies" drove up the price of oil don't say much now that it has plummeted.



In a weird way I sort of agree with you here, at least the last sentence. But DAL is making a lot of money due to several factors, but the biggest in my estimation is that we have a lot of good leaders (now, not in earlier years) who know how to generate revenue, and even more importantly, how to run a stellar operation to justify that revenue to our customers. Do you think that they have devoted themselves to all that just so that they can "back up the Brinks trucks" Puh-leeze...

Mmmm! I love the taste of idealism in the morning! Get back to me in about 5 years on this Herk.

Oberon 02-03-2015 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by IAV84DAL (Post 1818028)
Because Tim and I know each other from the way back DALPA forum when you had your name next to every word you posted. To be fair although I've had a membership here for some time, I've only recently started posting. And every one of those posts originates from the same IP address and can be easily verified.

That's on me then. I misunderstood what you were saying in that post. Sorry for calling you a troll. You have been very well behaved since your vacation.:D

IAV84DAL 02-03-2015 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1818162)
That's on me then. I misunderstood what you were saying in that post. Sorry for calling you a troll. You have been very well behaved since your vacation.:D

You should see my tan. Nice to meet ya.

Karnak 02-03-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1818067)
Don't kid yourself,
If NYC had 1.25 cola, it would become the senior base.

Maybe not. NWA paid a COLA (flat rate) to pilots in Guam. HNL and ANC had one, too. ALPA even negotiated a pass travel arrangement on Alaska that gave ANC commuters a higher priority than Alaska employees, regardless of where they were traveling, on Alaska.

Those 3 bases were still "junior" to LAX, SEA, and MSP.

Sink r8 02-03-2015 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1818059)
If NYC had 2X COL it would be the senior base. Food for thought.

Agreed. I'm not asking for COLA differentials. I knew what I was getting into. We all do. If I had bid a junior base for seniority, then asked for a COLA differential, that would be hypocritical.

Timbo 02-03-2015 10:05 AM

NYC already has a built in COLA, it's called Juniority. If you can hold Captain, or Wide Body F/O, only in NYC, you are being paid more in NYC (COLA) than what you would be paid in ATL, because you can't hold that position (or pay) anywhere but NYC.

Now...LAX is a whole different can of worms, because they don't have as many positions available out there. If they had all the same equipment based there, as in NYC, and if they had to cover 3 airports (do they still cover only 2?) it might go as junior as NYC.

Purple Drank 02-03-2015 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1818140)
Do you think that they have devoted themselves to all that just so that they can "back up the Brinks trucks" Puh-leeze...

Of course they're doing it for the money. Why else would they do it? :confused:

gloopy 02-03-2015 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1818240)
NYC already has a built in COLA, it's called Juniority. If you can hold Captain, or Wide Body F/O, only in NYC, you are being paid more in NYC (COLA) than what you would be paid in ATL, because you can't hold that position (or pay) anywhere but NYC.

Now...LAX is a whole different can of worms, because they don't have as many positions available out there. If they had all the same equipment based there, as in NYC, and if they had to cover 3 airports (do they still cover only 2?) it might go as junior as NYC.

Exactly! All this fantasy land talk of base raises/differentials is completely unworkable for CONUS cities. Millions of people live and raise families in NYC and LA for small fractions of the pay we earn. We should get more across the board, but NYC/LA pilots shouldn't get more pay just because they choose to live there.


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