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Purple Drank 08-29-2014 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715386)
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets.

Wouldn't expect anything else from one of management's boys.
Keep up the good work, sailingfun. Well, keep up the work, anyway.

Gomerglideslope 08-29-2014 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1715442)
Wouldn't expect anything else from one of management's boys.
Keep up the good work, sailingfun. Well, keep up the work, anyway.

Well he stated that opinion, and then laid out fairly cogent reasoning why he thought it was so...are you going to refute that reasoning, or just club him over the head?

tsquare 08-29-2014 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1715327)
Do you see evil intent around every corner?

What did my post have to do with Caplinger?

Moak did the opposite of what he should have done 2 weeks ago. That's an impeachable offense IMO. My reps said he'll be gone before anything gels.

I don't know Caplinger and don't even think of the DPA. Take your meds man.

So now you are saying that is only what Moak (allegedly) did or did not do in the last couple of weeks that makes him impeachable? I have been reading on these boards for years now that he is incompetent, he ignores the policy manual etc etc etc... All I was trying to do is understand why it is just now coming to light.... It has nothing to do with seeing evil intent around every corner. Except when the DPA is brought into the equation. :p

Herkflyr 08-29-2014 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1715357)
Letter from SD promising an "updated" EFB timeline "early next week."
Sounds like more delays.

The incompetence shown thus far is pretty embarrassing.

I can't believe I agree with you here.

Remember... "Free Beer Tomorrow" [emoji1]

Purple Drank 08-29-2014 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1715468)
Well he stated that opinion, and then laid out fairly cogent reasoning why he thought it was so...are you going to refute that reasoning, or just club him over the head?

One of the usual DALPA suspects' screen names shows up to defend a guy touting the company line. *feigned shock*

Say, gomer, how about a credibility check. Now that you're here, would you please weigh in on Moak's comments from a few days ago? Did they help us or hurt us?

tsquare 08-29-2014 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715386)
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.

Exactly what I was trying to say. If they wanna stay and train, have at it. If they wanna retire, fair winds and following seas. Any displacements other than the whale guys will be minimal and short lived. I still don't understand why we are even talking about this.

sailingfun 08-29-2014 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1715383)
Originally Posted by tsquare http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.




So are you saying contractually they can't or they shouldn't?


They can't unless it is negotiated with the union.

sailingfun 08-29-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1715474)
Exactly what I was trying to say. If they wanna stay and train, have at it. If they wanna retire, fair winds and following seas. Any displacements other than the whale guys will be minimal and short lived. I still don't understand why we are even talking about this.

The company is offering a early retirement program. As long as they fund it and it's a fair program we should be talking about it.
There is another component not mentioned to a ER program that might make the company willing to open their purse strings a bit more. This is a personal opinion only but the company is very concerned about the actual timing of retirements. After almost no early outs for a year we suddenly had a spike in guys leaving early the first 6 months of the year. Retirements the next few years are still light compared to 2018. It may be worth it to the company to time shift a portion of those retirements into the next two years. They smooth the retirement flow and can release those pilots on their time line not the whims of the pilots. We will know in a two weeks what they have offered.

GogglesPisano 08-29-2014 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715386)
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.

True enough. However, each of these displacements will prevent someone else's upward movement -- which otherwise would have occurred. Having the 747 pilots retire would be in everyone's best interest.

Denny Crane 08-29-2014 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 1715367)
Reserve question. I have a trip that spills over into the next moth. Are we able to ask scheduling to apply all of the trip credit towards this month? I thought I read it somewhere that we could.

No.

Denny


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