Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1715113)

So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1715093)

The ones being parked aren't the oldest. Additionally, I have yet to see UA parking whales. You know that thing where I say you're awful at data analysis? Yep... That again.

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1715131)

^^^^^^^SHACK!!!!^^^^^^
Why don't our reps get this? Seems the NC is just jonesing and needs a fix. Just say NO! and step away.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1715215)

Couple of reasons. DALPA attempted to capture the efficiency gains from the 727 which it more or less directly replaced* and Southwest airlines actually made a convenient benchmark (and who said we could not pattern bargain off the Southwest student Council?).

We again tried to capture the efficiency gains over the 757 that the 737-900 is replacing. That was a dollar.*

*(however, considering the 737-900 needs a flaps 15 War Emergency Power takeoff to get out of a sea level airport with a 10,000 foot runway and cruises at 25,000 feet, we have discovered the 737 is less efficient than the 40 year old design it is replacing so in C2015 we are going to take a $15 an hour concession to the 757 ... but the trips are better ... the 737-900 can only go to former SAC bases ... which is why the zoomies all bid the thing ... reminds them of their youth )

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715371)

No, I am saying they can't do that.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1715252)

When factoring the costs of displacing from the 744...in addition to the simple cost of each training event, we've got to factor in the potentially much higher cost of not being able to fly the schedule due to manning issues.

Some fleets are already at or near capacity even without displacements. The 717 pipeline is already maxed out. Adding more training due to displacements is impossible. Then management is looking at canceling flights. The real and intangible costs of that outcome would likely exceed the training events themselves.

DALPA has some leverage here. Will they use it, or "constructively engage" it away?

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1715354)

I don't know the pay history behind the 737 but while they may be sized similar, the 737s are in fact bigger - especially when you consider that there are only 10 737-700s.

319 -126 passengers
320 - 150 passengers

737-700 - 124 passengers
737-800 - 160 passengers
737-900 - 180 passengers

The airbus fleet is approximately 50% 319/320 averaging about 139 seats.
The 737 fleet currently averages over 161 seats which will rise to about 169 seats when we have all the 900s.

Scoop :)

Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 1715390)

I suppose after that the guys that speak francais will be calling in for an increase?

-2263

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715386)

You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1715354)

I don't know the pay history behind the 737 but while they may be sized similar, the 737s are in fact bigger - especially when you consider that there are only 10 737-700s.

319 -126 passengers
320 - 150 passengers

737-700 - 124 passengers
737-800 - 160 passengers
737-900 - 180 passengers

The airbus fleet is approximately 50% 319/320 averaging about 139 seats.
The 737 fleet currently averages over 161 seats which will rise to about 169 seats when we have all the 900s.

Scoop :)