So if we want a "large raise" that only brings us up to prior rates even unadjusted for inflation then we have to justify it and sound reasonable and listen to all the "me too" squeals…but if any other work group is at or above pre BK pay and we're the only one that isn't, that falls on deaf ears?

Not buying it.

I've heard that if 777 f/o's are willing to bid 717 capt, they'll make more money and get more chicks.

They'd be crazy not to do it.

That's just what I heard.

1. It varied. On days following a redeye-turn or other night flying, it was usually in the 5-6 hour range. On "normal" days, a little less.

2. Usually layover minus an hour. Some of the hotels were very close, and conducive to the CDO. The sign in sheet and room key were in the van. In fact, only two of the hotels I can remember DIDN'T make it easy to get quickly to the room, and they weren't bad. Personally, I don't have sleep issues - which is why I liked "illegals".

3. It varied. When I could hold them, I planned for them. I found it easier to plan for sleep, and to recover from the flying, than it was when I flew 11-12 day Asia trips. Those things messed me up for a few days afterward. With CDO's, I was getting my flying done is fewer days, and that made my planning worth it.

4. I think it says something about being rested. In my experience with CDO's, I felt safe, and MORE rested than I did on Day 9 of a 12-day, regardless of how much planning I did. I trust the science on WOCL. The CDO's I've flown allowed me to sleep during my WOCL's.

5. Yes.

I'm not sure. Doesn't matter. If we get CDO's, I'll bid them. If we don't, I won't bid them.

The SEA330B is retarded, I coulda held it 3 years ago now the last AE missed by 800 numbers. The right seat is that thing is nuts.

Well sort of. Our reps voted to remove them in 117 talks when the pilot group revolted. But for the Moak disciples, you just keep surveying until pilots get the survey right. :rolleyes:

Carl

Believing our personal opinion is shared by most of the pilots is a mistake, too.

Which brings us to the part you skipped -

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?

The problem is that the survey is purposely constructed with multiple choices...not just yes or no. The multiple choices are there to dilute purely yes or no votes. Why DALPA does this is another open question.

Carl

I don't think we have anything at this point. But realistically... what did you expect to get out of the VA alliance? That tie up was good for the DAL enterprise, and marginally beneficial at best for the DAL pilots. DAL got access to LHR. A tightly controlled slot regulated airport. Did anyone really think VA was gonna give us any of those slots? The very best we could hope for in that deal would be growth in domestic feed to VA, and we would really never be able to quantify those gains. But that's only an opinion of course...

I heard the same thing!

Wow, really? I don't have access to SLC emails, but the survey is terribly flawed. Clearly constructed in a way to achieved pre-desired results. Same nonsense as in C2012. If SLC is criticizing it, that's certainly a pleasant surprise.

Carl