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Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 1715219)
What do you think targeted early retirement is worth? What do you think we should get?
The reason I ask is, it costs something to displace and it costs something to offer an early retirement program. Do you think it costs significantly more to displace that there would be something for everyone else? I have no clue... More money. For everybody. Especially the guys senior to them that are being bypassed in this. But most especially me, because bigger pays more, and I'll take a seniority hit when the golden boys bid down on us. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1715229)
Management isn't offering early outs to be nice. They would not be asking for them unless they knew the cost of displacing was greater than the cost of buyouts. Agreed?
As far as what we should get...I'm open. :D I do know we need to get something for everyone in return for bailing the company out of its self-imposed training catastrophe. Hypothetically, if the cost (to the company) of buyouts was exactly equal to displacements factoring in everything, would you be in favor of a deal? In other words, the 747 guys get something to leave and the rest of the pilot group gets no displacements? I'm assuming we can verify the costs. I'd guess that shouldn't be too hard to do. |
When factoring the costs of displacing from the 744...in addition to the simple cost of each training event, we've got to factor in the potentially much higher cost of not being able to fly the schedule due to manning issues.
Some fleets are already at or near capacity even without displacements. The 717 pipeline is already maxed out. Adding more training due to displacements is impossible. Then management is looking at canceling flights. The real and intangible costs of that outcome would likely exceed the training events themselves. DALPA has some leverage here. Will they use it, or "constructively engage" it away? |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1715215)
*(however, considering the 737-900 needs a flaps 15 War Emergency Power takeoff to get out of a sea level airport with a 10,000 foot runway and cruises at 25,000 feet, we have discovered the 737 is less efficient than the 40 year old design it is replacing so in C2015 we are going to take a $15 an hour concession to the 757 ... but the trips are better ... the 737-900 can only go to former SAC bases ... which is why the zoomies all bid the thing ... reminds them of their youth ) |
There will be nothing tangible gained for the early out program folks. Management will spin it as we're already getting plenty by not having to displace pilots. DALPA will agree and sign without memory rat.
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1715166)
A seniority list perhaps?
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Take the displacements, that way we can do all of the training on the way down, than when the new WBs start coming, the senior guys can bid back up and everyone gets to retrain. Cool! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1715050)
The UA people are trying to rally the troops... well that's great, but what I say to my rep won't make a flying moak in influence to what they actually vote.
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Originally Posted by filejw
(Post 1715138)
Is the fence still up for this AE ?
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