Yeah, What T-Square said.

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Our network has that capacity. We are trying to squeeze KAL into a closer relationship to help us in our quest to over fly Japan.

The big deal about Pinnacle being authorized to do a deal with Delta management for Delta flying is that our MEC stood by and accepted the idea that Delta can negotiate flying with other pilot groups; meaning that we are no longer anything more than one of a handful of vendors who Delta may choose to do business with (or not). It shocks me that only a few Reps on the Delta MEC understand the strategic importance of being THE (meaning exclusive) pilots of Delta Air Lines.

So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.

I know you did max. You were the exception, not the rule.

MD88's usually have an inoperative APU and a huffer to get started. Does that make it a four engine airplane?

I read no stipulation that all four have to be in use at the same time.

I don't understand. Some of you people have been complaining about Moak for a long time. If I knew how to do it I would go back and quote some posts about how he should be impeached for A,B and C. Yet it was all apparently internet bloviating. Or was it? Now since someone says all these things are true, it makes me wonder why those proceedings were never initiated. Instead, it was more "effective" to go out and attempt to burn down the house, instead of removing the rats. Caplinger's motives are becoming a lot more clearer with this.....

I dunno. What's your point? Mine is that there will be no mass exodus of anybody. So if you selectively offer it to certain groups that have retirements and on top of that we have to pay for it... yeah, I'll be pizzed if we pay ANYTHING for this "privelege".

Scenario: The company says we want to get rid of the whales, but they do not make up the most senior guys on the list. We don't want to train them. How do we incentivize those guys to leave? Early retirement plan. OK. But they are not by and large more senior than the 777 guys. So if we offer it to the most senior guys on the list, the 777 guys might leave generating more training. We don't want that. So we'll buy you a few more 330s. How's that? You mean the ones that you really need, and that you are gonna announce in a couple of months anyway? For that, you get to offer retirement to a select bunch of guys? Why are we even having this discussion? If I were a 63 year old 777 pilot, I would be livid.

No. Bigger pays more, this is another side benefit.

Why is displacing better than early retirements? Serious question.

Your youth and inexperience is showing again...;)

UAL used to operate 44 747-400. They're down to 23 now. One other point, their network is different than ours, with a hub structure that should be able to support larger jets. Even in this airline economy they've been unsuccessful at doing that, and in June they had a complete revenue and finance management makeover. Also, their widebody order book is, in general, for smaller aircraft than they're currently operating (787 and A350).

UAL has lagged Delta 1-4 years in making decisions and accomplishing goals. Look for their fleet changes to accelerate in 2015 (they've just started the regional restructuring Delta began in 2012). If/when they ever get their act together they will be a phenomenal competitor.

United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - Fleet Information

UAL 2003 (page 11)

If we pay ANYTHING to allow this, it is wrong. And we always do. Always have. And the benefits are minimal at best. No mass exodus, and it doesn't happen for months or years.

Re-run reel 'A' Mr Projectionist.