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scambo1 08-29-2014 01:59 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1714991)
If this is truly the case, why weren't charges brought and impeachment proceedings started?

Because my reps don't think there's enough time to impeach Moak before he is gone anyway.

boog123 08-29-2014 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1714993)
Boog,
Every time I see your posts I wonder... so I'll ask: what's your avatar picture of? Is that you, your wife/GF, or your boat? Or something else. Thx, I've just always wondered.

Fitness Instructor of a bride that somehow puts up with me. My boat is a bit too small to have a life ring with wording on it. Now if we get that bog pay raise soon….

tsquare 08-29-2014 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1715065)
Because my reps don't think there's enough time to impeach Moak before he is gone anyway.

So these alleged improprieties are just now coming to light? The way people on here have been complaining, I would have thought it well known that he had done illegal stuff.

sailingfun 08-29-2014 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1715032)
Not bad news to a 10k+ seniority guy, too. I'm interested to hear the details.... however, I can't believe we can't justify 16 whales with our network size.

It seems no airline can justify the whales. They are being retired as fast as airlines can park them. Keep in mind that Delta's 747-400's are among the very oldest flying. NW was the launch customer if I recall correctly.
I doubt this will happen but there might be a glimmer of hope. The jets being parked are leased. Perhaps were playing hardball on the lease rates. The value of the jets is scrap value only. The owners at best can part them out. Since Delta has not displaced pilots perhaps it's a ploy for lower lease rates. Still no one seems to want them worldwide and the economic numbers for parking them were compelling when given to the union.

tsquare 08-29-2014 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1715030)
When you're an 11,000 seniority person this is awesome news!! Be gone!!

These "early out" programs are nothing but crap to appease the troops. There will be no significant number of pilots that leave because of any program. The ones that do will only be leaving a month or two early anyway. Been there, seen this, got several expensive T shirts to prove it. We'll pay a lot for a Yugo. There should be no negotiations on this. If it is a good deal, the company would just offer it. What is there to negotiate? They want to mitigate a flush of training supposedly, right? What is there for us to do that could help in this arena? No... we are gonna pay something, and whatever it is, it's too much.

sailingfun 08-29-2014 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1715030)
When you're an 11,000 seniority person this is awesome news!! Be gone!!

ER programs are way over hyped. If they only allow 747 CA's to take the program the effect on you will be maybe a percentage point above zero and that sliver of a benefit ends completely when the pilots let out early reach 65.

sailingfun 08-29-2014 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1715084)
These "early out" programs are nothing but crap to appease the troops. There will be no significant number of pilots that leave because of any program. The ones that do will only be leaving a month or two early anyway. Been there, seen this, got several expensive T shirts to prove it. We'll pay a lot for a Yugo. There should be no negotiations on this. If it is a good deal, the company would just offer it. What is there to negotiate? No... we are gonna pay something.

It has to be negotiated. The company can't unilaterally decide to go through the seniority list and pick pilots it wants to go early.

80ktsClamp 08-29-2014 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1715083)
It seems no airline can justify the whales. They are being retired as fast as airlines can park them. Keep in mind that Delta's 747-400's are among the very oldest flying. NW was the launch customer if I recall correctly.
I doubt this will happen but there might be a glimmer of hope. The jets being parked are leased. Perhaps were playing hardball on the lease rates. The value of the jets is scrap value only. The owners at best can part them out. Since Delta has not displaced pilots perhaps it's a ploy for lower lease rates. Still no one seems to want them worldwide and the economic numbers for parking them were compelling when given to the union.

The ones being parked aren't the oldest. Additionally, I have yet to see UA parking whales. You know that thing where I say you're awful at data analysis? Yep... That again.

scambo1 08-29-2014 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1715082)
So these alleged improprieties are just now coming to light? The way people on here have been complaining, I would have thought it well known that he had done illegal stuff.

You asked the question. Sorry you find fault with the answer.

maddogmax 08-29-2014 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1715084)
These "early out" programs are nothing but crap to appease the troops. There will be no significant number of pilots that leave because of any program. The ones that do will only be leaving a month or two early anyway. Been there, seen this, got several expensive T shirts to prove it. We'll pay a lot for a Yugo. There should be no negotiations on this. If it is a good deal, the company would just offer it. What is there to negotiate? They want to mitigate a flush of training supposedly, right? What is there for us to do that could help in this arena? No... we are gonna pay something, and whatever it is, it's too much.

I took the last ER plan at age 62 and never looked back. I would have taken it at 60 if it had been offered. As has been discussed before, health insurance costs are a big issue before you are eligible for Medicare. I was able to go on my wife's insurance which made my choice easier. As an aside, I would have had to medically retire when I was 63.


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