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So everybody is leaving in the next year or two and won't have to deal with scope issues? The average age is something like 55. That is 10 full years, and unless we get stupid in contract negotiations, 2 and possibly 3 more contracts under which they live. Doesn't sound rational to me.... Maybe it just isn't as important to most people as some think it is...

It's my opinion that scope give backs etc... take a large chunk of time to manifest themselves. I would consider anyone 55 or older in the arena of it not affecting their career. It'd take at least two years to start farming out flying, a few more to spool it up, then a 55 year old's seniority would carry them basically unharmed until 63-65 when they'd be out the door anyways.

I don't place scope a distinct #1 and I'm a young guy. I believe that all the areas should be enhanced incrementally, not have all of our resources thrown at one or two items.

That's just my 1 of 12000 opinion though.

Flamer

09-09-2014 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1723116)

I didn't read his comment the same way, but eh, different strokes for different folks.

I see the DPA attempting to negotiate in public, which is what every union (and most pilots) hate when management attempts it. It is a massive failure of TC/DPA to undermine himself and every Delta pilot who seeks the maximum gains out of the next round of PWA talks. TC/DPA's shenanigans are doing more damage every single day.

The more detailed a gauge of the pilot sentiment management has, the more costly they can make contract improvements. The opponent is management, not ALPA.

Say no to doing the DPA survey, and tell your fellow Delta pilots to say no!

Unions usually don't like the opposition negotiating in public because the are on the disadvantaged end when mgt does it. Perhaps we should reverse the roles occasionally and use it to our advantage. It really can be a powerful tool

All pilots please carry your tablet on and open to the DPA survey page everywhere you go to make it easier to help other pilots accomplish the DPA survey!

Check Essential

09-09-2014 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1723159)

So, what's in it for DALPA? What would be their motivation for not achieving the most they could for the pilot group?

If it were just DALPA, the answer would be that there is no such motivation.

However, there's Herndon. Their motivations are quite different.

Alan Shore

09-09-2014 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1723156)

And DALPA doesn't ask the pay banding question in their survey? If it isn't coming our way, why is it in DALPA's survey? I think asking about CDOs was a mistake or straight up manipulation.

I believe that asking about both is to get ahead of the possibility that they might come up in negotiations by having a sense of where the pilot group is on these issues from the start.

Alan Shore

09-09-2014 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1723176)

If it were just DALPA, the answer would be that there is no such motivation. However, there's Herndon. Their motivations are quite different.

Given that Herndon also benefits more the more we make, I don't see any motivation there either not to achieve the most that is possible.

gzsg	09-09-2014 05:50 AM

From the DPA survey.

Over 94% of our pilots feel International Scope

Needs further improvements and restrictions.

hornetsnest

09-09-2014 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1723156)

And DALPA doesn't ask the pay banding question in their survey? If it isn't coming our way, why is it in DALPA's survey?

I do give them credit for not asking about freezes in their survey.

I think asking about CDOs was a mistake or straight up manipulation. Hoping the former.

Jerry

DALPA asked in 2012 and we didn't get pay banding. The DPA said pilots want pay banding for a survey over the same period. Since we didn't get okay banding one assumption might be that the pilots who participated in the DALPA survey didn't want it. The DPA pilots who participated did. You are the one saying we are getting pay banding. You write for the DPA. If 50% of the pilots filled out the DALPA survey and didn't want it and the DPA claims to have the other half of the pilots and publicly says the pilots want pay banding then who should we believe. The confidential survey that in 2012 didn't get us pay banding or your public one that does ask for pay banding. At this point if we get pay banding I am going to blame you personally because you've been running your mouth about it. No one else has.

Pineapple Guy

09-09-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1723156)

Assuming the DPA survey continues to show scope is far down on the list of priorities, how do you see that impacting ALPA's ability to hold the line on this when discussing with management?

shiznit

09-09-2014 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1723174)

Examples please. I'd like some solid, empirical evidence that "showing our hand" has a benefit.

Change my perspective. I want ways to improve my checking account, get more days off, and enhance our contract to the maximum extent possible. The method is immaterial, if there's a better way I'd like to know it.

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