I actually value a lot of what Jerry says. If we had more guys like him, we wouldn't be passing 4-8-3-3 type raises with a 63% vote during the best times this industry has seen in 20 years.

If this next contract isn't "eye watering", it will be another 10-15 years before we hit another upslope. Which will also be eye watering...but in a bad way.

I like what he has to say. It makes me feel like we have a fighting chance. I'm willing to fight for what we deserve.

2013 Contract Survey Summary

Three years worth of "polling data" and the DPA said publicly to management Delta pilots desire pay banding. With 5800 members (and climbing) it sounds like you are the one asking for pay banding, not the other way round. If it's a done deal it's because you asked for it in writing.

I believe I saw that as an option for reserve improvements in the survey.

Care to discuss any of the other suggestions mentioned there? I didn't think so.

Wow. So the Negotiators negotiate based on the DPA survey results? Never to early too start looking for scapegoats for failing to deliver. :eek:

Here we go again. DALPA won't deliver because the DPA had a survey.

You mean like 5:15 daily guarantee and reserves paying the same as regular? Looks like maybe half that list has been accomplished by DALPA already. Restore international pay? What does that even mean? Get "certain" wide body flying back? Not all of it?

Jerry has been pushing the value of the DPA surveys. Jerry has been the only one running around here and on Chitchat with his hair on fire saying that pay banding is a done deal and the DPA survey has said the pilots want pay banding. He's written a number of the DPA emails. Does he support the DPA's survey stating that pilots want pay banding because it helps training?

You can't have it both ways. If Delta does read everything then they know that the DPA pilots in 2003 whoever they were at the time actually wanted pay banding and it even says in the survey results that it to help out training. Isn't that what everyone is pi$$ed off about right now? Massive training issues? Everyone keeps saying how the DPA is causing DALPA to do things. DPA is responsible for the results. Well here's one that Jerry says is a done deal and low and eff'in behold the DPA says the Delta pilots wanted it in the next contract.

Do DPA/Independant public surveys mean anything or not? You can't have it both ways. :confused:

I didn't read his comment the same way, but eh, different strokes for different folks.

I see the DPA attempting to negotiate in public, which is what every union (and most pilots) hate when management attempts it. It is a massive failure of TC/DPA to undermine himself and every Delta pilot who seeks the maximum gains out of the next round of PWA talks. TC/DPA's shenanigans are doing more damage every single day.

The more detailed a gauge of the pilot sentiment management has, the more costly they can make contract improvements. The opponent is management, not ALPA.

Say no to doing the DPA survey, and tell your fellow Delta pilots to say no!

Even with over 700 responses, Scope is STILL behind pay, retirement and work rules.

IMO, those are demographic issues.