Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1722953)

Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....

MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.

In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.

Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.

Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1722975)

Hawaii? What is wrong with you? How could you think that about puppies. :(

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1722953)

Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....

MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.

In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.

Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.

Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1722979)

My statement was that they were in compliance this summer and were projected to be this winter. I was told that by a MEC member after a briefing from the JV guys. I never stated they were in compliance for the 36 month look back.

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1722988)

No worries sailing,

You might want to let that MEC member know that when they told you we were "in-compliance this summer" they were giving you really bad info.

The only measurement we have is a 3-year look-back on percentage of EASKs. There is no daily, monthly or annual measurement.

I really would hope someone on our MEC would know that, especially after getting a briefing from the "JV guys."

Here's what the MEC update says about compliance, once and for all:
"...the Association does not believe the Company will be in compliance at the end of the cure period."

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1722869)

I'm such a lousy aircraft recognition guy. Sitting in a bigger jet cockpit gives you a different viewpoint/perspective than sitting closer to the ground. I was jumpseating in a couple weeks ago in the cockpit of an embraer and there was a 717 taxiing by. I said "that's a big crj" the capt said "that's a 717, you must fly something big."

So, yeah, I think they are shorter than airtrans'.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1723011)

It is critical that we settle this grievance outside of C2015.

Management will want to include it in C2015 and we will get nothing or far less than we would separately.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1722976)

My statement was that they were in compliance this summer and were projected to be this winter. I was told that by a MEC member after a briefing from the JV guys. I never stated they were in compliance for the 36 month look back.
I just got the same email you got. Well it does show a uptick in our flying for June I don't see how they will pick up a full percentage point for July and August to reach 48.5% so I agree that they will not be in compliance going forward. I don't believe we added any capacity in July above the June schedule. I doubt AF/KLM had a summer capacity reduction. They are pulling capacity this fall and winter so we may be in compliance then. KLM is parking all their MD11's by fall and AF is accelerating 747 retirements.
There is no way the company will be in compliance for the lookback and I expect the MEC to file a grievance next spring. I have never listed anything different then that. I agree what I posted about this summer was in error and they will fall about 1% short.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1723028)

You throw a whole lot of crap up on these forums to get attention (think the most awful smut magazines), but I do agree with you here.

Might want to think about toning down the noise- the more you cry wolf, the harder it is to see when there actually is a wolf.