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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1771401)

New Virgin Atlantic TA.

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If the Company is not in compliance with the minimum international operation requirement (under Section 1 R. 1.) or the minimum ASK requirement (under Section 1 R. 2.) in any measurement period, the Company will cure any such breach by complying with the minimum international operation or ASK requirement, as applicable, in the subsequent measurement period.

Does that mean "if the company is not in compliance this year, it must be in compliance next year?"

what is the motivation to remain in compliance? :confused: as we've seen from the AF/KLM language, the company has no problem blowing off its obligations.

I'm sure we'll get 'em next time.

If that's really the language, it has to be a 100% NO vote from our reps. Let's assume the language requires a 50/50 split. These paragraphs would allow for 10% Delta 90% Virgin on year one, then the company would be perfectly legal if they made it 50/50 the next year. That would be considered a "cure" for that 10/90 year.

Our reps need to send a message to this ridiculously weak negotiating committee that we won't tolerate this anymore. There must be clearly defined and substantial penalties immediately applied for non-compliance. How could our negotiators not know something this basic?

Really hope the ATL line pilots will put the squeeze on those four reps of theirs to vote NO. Anything else will be a terrible signal of weakness to send as we approach 2015 openers.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1771509)

Or...............maybe the MEC wants input from the rank and file before they vote on it? According to qball, the vote is not going to be until the December MEC meeting.

If the paragraph that PD quoted is correct, what will be the direction you give to your reps Denny?

Carl

Looks like with the latest FDRA APB, they are still having us accept the FAR 117 extension by signing the FDRA then leaving it at the gate.

I'm just not ok with that logic... any word from ALPA on it?

No point in arguing over this, gents. It's gonna pass. I know it. You know it.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1771579)

That isn't logic, it's corporate-speak. However it does seem like the interpretations are leaning towards the 30 minutes or less extension being "known/accepted" via release and the 31-120 min extension is a secondary acceptance. :-(

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Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1771584)

I get that, but ours is the full 120. Not ok with that... I'd be ok with the logic of them wording it "plan on accepting it with the information available at that time."

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1771579)

Lol. It seems we are treating this similar to the way a ****ty regional would treat it. Now if we have to talk to a chief pilot or answer to someone for not extending, then we would he treating it exactly the way a ****ty regional treats it. How do they get the FAA to sign off on this?

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1771597)

I kind of doubt it'll be that vindictive. The CP's 99% of the time just don't behave like that here.

I do believe we should treat the wording like it was written the way I outlined.

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