100% Agree.

Baja.

I think he also took a few good points from the "what would happen to our SLI if we merged with another carrier" crowd. :D


The same points apply to pay banding. :rolleyes:

And, AAL has (will have) 67-777s in the not too distant future. We will have 18. I guess one could argue that we have some 350s coming in - I don't have that figure at my fingertips - and AAL has 42 787s ordered that pay the same as the 777s.

What does that have to do with the point though? The only stat that really matters is once you back out the replacement planes how many of each type will they have then?

Funny thing about banding though, is it won't really stop much training (unless you couple it with longer freezes, in which case you could just conceed lomger freezes and be done with it) and will generate a lot of training for a while. Especially with LBP.

I see your point. In a hypothetical situation where a long list of wrongs is being perpetrated, and it's so crucial to stop an action, that the cost of sabotaging your own side is justified, that you roll the dice. No one takes issue with the German officers that tried to kill Hitler.

You write a good bit about concessions, and I agree with your stance that we don't need to make any. You write that there are many that are likely to pass a TA, and I agree with you. It may be a disappointment that this is so, but it is so. The MEC directs the NC, they get us a TA, and we vote.

In these last few weeks, some have made the argument that there is some force at work within the MEC, a “slim majority”, that wants to do certain things. I think they’re mostly fictional accounts, and designed to market/discredit reps after the TA passes, but regardless, they’re allegations about what the majority wants to do. Let’s say they’re true, for argument’s sake, and since the majority runs the show, these represent our true intentions. When someone leaks true intentions, they’re undoubtedly costing us money. They’re taking a gamble that they are so correct about the actions of the majority, and the rest of us are so ignorant of the truth, that the risks of taking costly steps that lower the value of a deal, or kill it altogether, are less important than stopping the majority.

They have in effect decided to supplant their judgment, over the judgement of the pilots, who are providing input, and standing by to vote on the result.

I just want to know if they’re adding the insult of lying, to the cost of the leak.

I thought pay banding was a done deal?

Purple and GZSG,

What did your LEC reps say?

I'm interested in hearing what information is actually being reported to you by your reps.

Every post you guys make without actual information from your reps digs deeper into the mud of delusion.

I have 7yrs left and all I can say is you are completely out to lunch. Seriously. We have NEVER had a more positive economic environment, in my 26yrs.

With a potential 3% raise next year, 20+% ps, and 30+% ps the year after, we have NEVER been in a better position to wait it out.

Must be very close to a sub-standard TA when the usual DALPA gang starts showing up to: "Sell, sell, sell!"

P.s., we must fly with a very different crowd... the gang I fly with are very much "wind the clock" oriented.

Btw, I have emailed my LEC/MEC reps and made clear that I will not accept one concension... I will however accept a little less gain in one area or another... depending on the deal... Oh, and not one penny of ps give... ps is a bonus... period.

Here's where you're going off the rails Sink: You're presuming this in not presently known by management. That's incorrect. The reason there is such angst is because these rumored concessions are what has already been TA'd. When certain reps got that information during the briefings, they beat the hell out of the negotiators and made it clear those concessions needed to be Un-TA'd or they'd be looking at a memory rat failure. Thus creating the crying boy.

This happened in the first place because of certain MEC administrators negotiating with management outside the process...which aligns with the 10-9 majority of our MEC. Someone leaked what happened to see how it survived in sunlight. Sunlight appears to be killing it which brings us to the final point: Leaks of what the 10-9 majority would accept was already known to management because it was already TA'd. Therefore the leaks can only serve to INCREASE our final product. The leaks haven't cost us money, they've saved us money.

Carl