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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1889877)
Because I think there's a lot fewer moves like you described that have to do with the hourly rate differential than it has to do with bases, relative seniority, type of flying and of course upgrades (which would be the case regardless).
We're already largely banded anyway, into 2 distinct tiers. All other airframe differentials are pretty small from plane to plane until you crack the 330 barrier. Even the 320 pilot in your example will only gain several grand a year going to the 737, and in order to get that they have to spend the preverbal 2 months-ish on VA ave and in many to most cases will end up losing relative seniority, which is the equivalent of money in many ways. For every 320 pilot willing to go through training for that amount of a raise, there is a pilot in something else that will make a move to the 320 from something else if the 320 offers a better overall relative seniority...especially if the payrates are all the same. LBP will probably cut down on some movement in the long run, but will generate more in the short to medium term, and it will never stop "sport bidding" as well as people bouncing around to imprive their situation. Now maybe LBP with home basing and a mandatory one month on reserve per year for everyone, or A-days like the FA's get, etc, coupled with longer freezes could slam the brakes on fleet changes, but we all know that's never going to happen. That said, it makes sense to band a little bit more. MD88/90 paying less than the smaller or same sized A319/320/737 is a bit silly. But there is simply no way to morph into UPS or Lufthansa overnight. It will take a long time, and during that time the hazzards of unintended consequences could very well make things worse. |
Thanks, Scoop and Alan.
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1889884)
I can't really argue with much of that. And fwiw, I am not making the LBP argument. I am just drilling down on vaunted AAL rates, and they aren't quite as great as made out on here. It is funny how management's decisions change the perspective on hourly rates though.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1889894)
I'm sincerely curious as to why every large airline in the world, foreign and US, can make money with way more large widebodies than DL, including and especially pretty much all of DL's JV partners, including two money losing albatrosses that we single handedly bailed out (VA and KA).
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1889894)
I'm sincerely curious as to why every large airline in the world, foreign and US, can make money with way more large widebodies than DL, including and especially pretty much all of DL's JV partners, including two money losing albatrosses that we single handedly bailed out (VA and KA).
We have low debt. Getting better every day. I like that even if it means not flying 100 787s. We just need to be paid better than anyone else for what we have. debt is slavery |
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I know why tsquare needs a new screen name. He found a cocktail waitress on Match.com. She was going to blow him off like they usually do, but he kept bragging about how much money he makes. She did a Google search, and found he would be gone more than half the time, so she bit the bullet and chased the money.
Two weeks later, they were married. Two months later, she wanted out. She was sick of him wearing his Delta hat when mowing the lawn and sitting on the throne; tired of being berated when there weren't any Milano cookies left in his snack basket, and totally over being made to a walkaround every time they drove somewhere. She found the best divorce attorney she could find. Tsquare went cheap (imagine that) and hired a lawyer with 10 teeth. During the proceedings, she was asked to describe their sex lives. She said, "fast, compulsory, and unfulfilling." To the same question, tsquare responsed, "expeditious and economical." Long story short, she took him to the cleaners. She got his best moonshine still, his coonskin cap collection, and his most prized possession: his "tsquare" screen name. That's probably why he's even more of an antisocial misanthrope as Bender Rodriguez...and explains his contract wants, too. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1889877)
MD88/90 paying less than the smaller or same sized A319/320/737 is a bit silly.
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Is it just me, or did their emerging bromance just get a bit creepy?
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 1889968)
Anyone know the impetus of this? MD crews are arguably the hardest-working for any given hour of flight...why do they accept less than the others?
That is the supposed origin of how the 777 pays the same as the whale and the 330 as the 765. Dumb. |
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